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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 06:19 pm
@H2O MAN,
They are not all as educated as Neal, Rush, and Herman. The only thing I think that they have not studied is moral philosophy and political science but I do have to say, "they do know political engineering.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 06:22 pm
@reasoning logic,
True, Neal, Rush and Herman would run circles around Obama.
They are linked directly to Americana, Obama has no idea what it means to be an American.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 06:38 pm
@H2O MAN,
I can not agree completely because I think that they are all crooks that have been bought by corporations to lean in the same direction!

I know that this may seem odd but if you were able to step outside of your environment and study things from a different point of view, "you may come to different conclusions on subject matters than what you hold now!

Logic will show you just how retarded we all are!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 07:53 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Herman Cain is the man to lead the ongoing conservative ascension.


The national press and many political scientists disagree. If he is mentioned at all,it is as a fringe candidate. Considering the personalities and the intelligence and sophistication the righties here display (you are superior to those on the AARP website, who tend to be further right than okie and far
less intelligent), your endorsement of this lackey to the captains of industry, place him just where his achievement level does.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 07:54 pm
@H2O MAN,
Newt can then f^ck another woman in his quest to love America more and destroy yet another marriage. Go Newt!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 07:56 pm
@reasoning logic,
Is Neil Boortz another of those effeminate, smarmy men the republicans are so fond of?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 15 May, 2011 07:57 pm
@reasoning logic,
Oh, reasoning, if you think those men are educated, I am so sorry for you.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 01:12 am
@plainoldme,
They are not educated in the areas that I think are needed in order to be good leaders but they are educated enough to disillusion those who will not study for themselves the level of corruption that is taken place.

They are all conservative preachers dividing the people with a twisted philosophy!
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 05:31 am
@plainoldme,
LOL, The liberal press and their so-called 'scientists' ...
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 08:41 am
Why do I have this mental image of allwet sitting in a wheelchair, looking like a Matt Groening creation, waving his cane? In fact, I imagine that the rest of the wingnuts look like they were drawn by Groening.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 08:46 am
POM pictured in a well

http://dailykindness.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/old-mule-in-the-well.jpg
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 08:00 pm
From The New Republic:


Last fall, Rand Paul briefly caused a stir when he suggested that his libertarian principles would require him to have opposed the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Paul danced around the subject, refusing the let himself be pinned down.

Tonight his father and political idol, Ron Paul, appeared on "Hardball" and said, very forthrightly, what his son merely implied:

Rand's statements on the law (which he later retracted) came during his first week as the Republican nominee for Senate in Kentucky in 2010. Ron's criticisms of the law came on the day he declared his third run for the presidency.

"Yeah," he told Matthews when asked if he would have voted against the act in Congress. "But I wouldn't vote against getting rid of the Jim Crow laws."

Ron, like his son, said that his statement about the Civil Rights Act has nothing to do with the law's intentions -- i.e. ending institutionalized discrimination in a wide swath of American life, including in the public accommodations where African Americans were denied service at the height of the Jim Crow era. Paul said he would vote against the law because it imposed unfair rules on what private business owners can and can't do on their own property. Essentially, they should be free to discriminate if they wish, Paul says, however distasteful that may be.

Of course, Ron Paul isn't just a fanatic Ayn Rand devotee like the son he claims he didn't name after her. He's also, as James Kirchick demonstrated last year, a flagrant racist:

Paul’s alliance with neo-Confederates helps explain the views his newsletters have long espoused on race. Take, for instance, a special issue of the Ron Paul Political Report,published in June 1992, dedicated to explaining the Los Angeles riots of that year. “Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks three days after rioting began,” read one typical passage. According to the newsletter, the looting was a natural byproduct of government indulging the black community with “‘civil rights,’ quotas, mandated hiring preferences, set-asides for government contracts, gerrymandered voting districts, black bureaucracies, black mayors, black curricula in schools, black tv shows, black tv anchors, hate crime laws, and public humiliation for anyone who dares question the black agenda.” It also denounced “the media” for believing that “America’s number one need is an unlimited white checking account for underclass blacks.”...

This “Special Issue on Racial Terrorism” was hardly the first time one of Paul’s publications had raised these topics. As early as December 1989, a section of hisInvestment Letter, titled “What To Expect for the 1990s,” predicted that “Racial Violence Will Fill Our Cities” because “mostly black welfare recipients will feel justified in stealing from mostly white ‘haves.’”

Two months later, a newsletter warned of “The Coming Race War,” and, in November 1990, an item advised readers, “If you live in a major city, and can leave, do so. If not, but you can have a rural retreat, for investment and refuge, buy it.”

In June 1991, an entry on racial disturbances in Washington, DC’s Adams Morgan neighborhood was titled, “Animals Take Over the D.C. Zoo.” “This is only the first skirmish in the race war of the 1990s,” the newsletter predicted.

In an October 1992 item about urban crime, the newsletter’s author--presumably Paul--wrote, “I’ve urged everyone in my family to know how to use a gun in self defense. For the animals are coming.” That same year, a newsletter described the aftermath of a basketball game in which “blacks poured into the streets of Chicago in celebration. How to celebrate? How else? They broke the windows of stores to loot.” The newsletter inveighed against liberals who “want to keep white America from taking action against black crime and welfare,” adding, “Jury verdicts, basketball games, and even music are enough to set off black rage, it seems.”
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 08:51 am
That famous town, Wasila, Alaska, is in the news again. The high school choir has been rehearsing Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody. The kids were excited about presenting this complex and beautiful song. Then someone complained that Freddie Mercury was gay. The song was dropped but an edited version has been allowed.

One student quipped that they should have replaced Bohemian rhapsody with Elton John's Candle in the Wind.


http://www.politicususa.com/en/freddie-mercury-too-gay-for-wasilla
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okie
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 09:09 am
@reasoning logic,
reasoning logic wrote:

What would you think about Neal Boortz being vice president?
We might at least have a shot at needed tax reform. That is spelled "FAIR TAX."
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 03:55 pm
@okie,
Have you studied his book?
okie
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 07:30 pm
@reasoning logic,
No, I have not, but I have considered most of the factors, or pros and cons, regarding the Fair Tax, and I have heard Boortz explain the tax in a fairly comprehensive interview, which would be a good summary of his book. It makes good sense for a number of good reasons. I believe at the very least it deserves a fair hearing in Congress, including projections of revenue and the necessary tax rates to achieve those projections.
reasoning logic
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 07:52 pm
@okie,
Thank you for being honest! I do have to admit that I am also guilty of not studying it also!

I do find him to be correct more often than what he is wrong but could we not say the same for me or you?

I do think that he is wise in most of what he says but could I also say the same about you?

Please try and step outside of your environment {culture} and question it and study other point of views other than mine or yours before you come to a conclusion of what you think reality may be!
okie
 
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Reply Tue 17 May, 2011 08:28 pm
@reasoning logic,
One of the cons regarding the Fair Tax is that bartering would become a bigger problem. In other words, enforcement, but consider the problem of enforcement now with the income tax. It is a huge problem, so I don't think enforcement would kill the proposal. Instead of watching hundreds of millions of people, the close monitoring of just a few of the largest retailers would filter out the vast majority of non-compliance. Also, we would have local and state authorities to help keep retailers honest, because most state and local authorities already use the sales tax to collect their revenue. Another complaint is that the tax would not be progressive, but that also can be fixed. Places like Colorado already exempt groceries from sales tax. It is a very easy thing to do with bar coding that we have in this day and age. We can exempt the essentials from sales tax, such as groceries and medical care, and we could exempt shelter up to a threshold, which would include rent or a house up to a threshold amount. This would accomplish progressivity. Once we start that game of exemptions, then we go down the road that we've gone with the income tax system, however, I think we should be able to still keep it much simpler than what the income tax system has grown into.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 05:26 am
@reasoning logic,
There are two books on The FairTax plan

http://robrimes.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/fairtaxthetruth.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/FairTaxBook.jpg

http://www.fairtaxblog.com/20090627/working-with-democrats-to-pass-the-fairtax/
parados
 
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Reply Wed 18 May, 2011 07:53 am
@H2O MAN,
Anyone that thinks you can eliminate the IRS by changing the tax code is stupid beyond belief. Without a tax collection and enforcement agency there will be little tax collection. We have plenty of historical evidence to see that. Every time the GOP has cut money for tax enforcement the amount of tax fraud has increased.
 

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