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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 07:35 am

We are all laughing at the brown shirt wearing ignoranus known as POM
farmerman
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 07:37 am
@H2O MAN,
ANd by "we", spurt means all the Aryan Nation Teabagger types.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 07:45 am


Leaving out progressive aryan nation liberal teabagging democrats would be wrong... they need a good laugh.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 08:02 am
Cokie Roberts, resident Republican at NPR, spoke of how elated she was when Geraldine Ferraro was nominated. The Democrats selected Ferraro, in large part, because she was Catholic and Catholics were defecting for the Ray-gun camp.

Raised a Roman Catholic, I find anything but RC liberalism strange and at odds with the Church. However.

Here is a criticism of secular schools:

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious ...instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ... We need believing people."
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 08:35 am
Why the right hates/fears Cronon and those like him:

He is truly educated with two Ph.Ds. One is from Yale and the other is from Oxford.

He holds an endowed chair at one of AMerica's great universities, U-Wisconsin-Madison.

He won the Bancroft Prize and a MacArthur grant.

He is on the board of the Wilderness Society.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 01:40 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

But that was before Cronon's fascinating opinion piece in Monday's New York Times detailing how Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker's political agenda flies in the face of "civic traditions .....
I know it is not in the Democratic Party tradition to balance budgets, pom. How weird of voters and a governor that would want to do something that weird, so I know you must be one puzzled liberal, pom.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 01:43 pm
@okie,
Quote:
I know it is not in the Democratic Party tradition to balance budgets, pom


Does the name William Jefferson Clinton ring a bell?


Quote:
How weird of voters and a governor that would want to do something that weird, so I know you must be one puzzled liberal, pom.


The governor of Wisconsin will not balance the budget in this way. His stated aim is not to balance the budget but to destroy unions. Finally, he is a fascist in action. Look and admire.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 01:50 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
The governor of Wisconsin will not balance the budget in this way. His stated aim is not to balance the budget but to destroy unions. Finally, he is a fascist in action. Look and admire.
To balance the budget, you cannot allow unions to run state budgets into the ground. It is not only Wisconsin that is realizing this fact, pom. Wake up and smell the coffee. There is a collision course between unions and taxpayers. It might be news to you, but taxpayers should have a right to have input into how their tax dollars are spent or mis-spent, through their duly elected officials. Scott Walker is one of those duly elected officials.
okie
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 02:01 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
Does the name William Jefferson Clinton ring a bell?
Does Newt Gingrich and the Republicans winning both houses of Congress in 1994 srike a bell?

By the way, Fascism is far different than a representative republic simply doing the will of the people.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 02:48 pm
@okie,
The collision course is between the top 1% of wage earners who have milked this nation and the work force dry since 1979 when wages for 80% of the work force stagnated while, year by year, the top quintile drew increasingly large salaries. The robbers are the people you admire.

Those large salaries at the top are part of the reason why domicile became so expensive. Encouraged to equate the American dream with home ownership, workers struggled to keep themselves under roofs while those at the top continually moved to more expensive houses to enjoy a bigger tax write off.

It is ridiculous for you to tell me to wake up and smell the coffee when you wear blinkers.

Scott walker is a fascist. He is a little Caesar over-whelmed by his own ego and a sense of power. He is following a plan laid out by several people including a rather prominent anti-abortion legislator.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 02:51 pm
@okie,
There are people stupid enough to vote for Gingrich. That is why you fear the will of the majority so much.

You have no idea what fascism is and you have made you and your lack of knowledge the target of a great deal of derision. Fascism is the deprivation of rights, which is what the right does.
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 03:37 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
Scott walker is a fascist. He is a little Caesar over-whelmed by his own ego and a sense of power. He is following a plan laid out by several people including a rather prominent anti-abortion legislator.
You sure call names awfully easy, pom. I doubt you even know what a fascist is. Hitler and Mussolini were Fascists. They believed in confiscating property, nationalizing businesses, and taking the obscene profits of the rich. These are much closer to Democrat held beliefs and policies, not those of Republicans or Scott Walker.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 03:45 pm
@okie,
Why don't you take a nap?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 03:47 pm
Gosh! okie failed to answer a couple of my questions! Whodathunkit?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 03:56 pm
@okie,
In response to your statement that scott walker is an elected official, I will repost something I added to this thread earlier today -- specifically for your benefit -- that illustrates how the right has been working from within to bring this country to its knees and destroy the working class.

The article is about Professor Cronon and is from Salon:

The most important group, I'm pretty sure, is the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), which was founded in 1973 by Henry Hyde, Lou Barnett, and (surprise, surprise) Paul Weyrich. Its goal for the past forty years has been to draft "model bills" that conservative legislators can introduce in the 50 states. Its website claims that in each legislative cycle, its members introduce 1000 pieces of legislation based on its work, and claims that roughly 18 percent of these bills are enacted into law. (Among them was the controversial 2010 anti-immigrant law in Arizona.)

Cronon surmises that his efforts to highlight the role of ALEC precipitated the Republican open records response. I have no way to judge whether that is true. But what I do know is that the Republican effort to gain access to Cronon's university emails has resulted in bringing far more attention to Cronon and to ALEC than would otherwise have been the case.

And that gives me hope. In an earlier post today, I quoted another blogger noting how humiliating it was that progressives didn't even realize that efforts to restrict striking workers from eligibility for food stamp programs dated all the way back to 1981. We've been asleep on the job. But if there's one good thing to come out of the aggressive ultra-conservative agenda so visible since the 2010 midterm elections -- with special attention to events in Wisconsin -- it is that we are all paying more attention than ever to what's been going on in this country for the last 30 years.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 04:05 pm
@plainoldme,
Paul Weyrich founded the HEritage Foundation with money from Coors. He devoted most of his life to training conservatives. He also supported dominionism . . . which I will allow wiki to define:

In a politico-religious context, dominionism (also called subjectionism) is the tendency among some conservative politically-active Christians, especially in the United States, to seek influence or control over secular civil government through political action. The goal is either a nation governed by Christians, or a nation governed by a conservative Christian understanding of biblical law. The use and application of this terminology is a matter of controversy.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 04:07 pm
@plainoldme,
While the name Henry Hyde is familiar for his work as anti-abortion rights activist, another side of his work is best described again by wiki"

In 1981, after leaving the House Banking Committee, Hyde went on the board of directors of Clyde Federal Savings and Loan, whose chairman was one of Hyde's political contributors. According to Salon.com, from 1982 until he left the board in 1984, Hyde used his position on the board of directors to promote the savings and loan's investment in risky financial options. In 1990, the federal government put Clyde in receivership, and paid $67 million to cover insured deposits. In 1993, the Resolution Trust Corporation sued Hyde and other directors for $17.2 million. Four years later, before pretrial investigation and depositions, the government settled with the defendants for $850,000 and made an arrangement exempting Hyde from paying anything. According to Salon.com, Hyde was the only member of the congress sued for "gross negligence" in an S&L failure.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 04:18 pm
@plainoldme,
More on Hyde:

As a member of the congressional panel investigating the Iran-Contra affair, Hyde vigorously defended the Ronald Reagan administration, and a number of the participants who had been accused of various crimes, particularly Oliver North. Quoting Thomas Jefferson, Hyde argued that although various individuals had lied in testimony before Congress, their actions were excusable because they were in support of the goal of fighting communism.

And:

Hyde argued that the House had a constitutional and civic duty to impeach Bill Clinton for perjury. In the Resolution on Impeachment of the President, Hyde wrote:
“ What we are telling you today are not the ravings of some vast right-wing conspiracy, but a reaffirmation of a set of values that are tarnished and dim these days, but it is given to us to restore them so our Founding Fathers would be proud.
It's your country - the President is our flag bearer, out in front of our people. The flag is falling, my friends - I ask you to catch the falling flag as we keep our appointment with history.

However:

In 1998, the Internet magazine Salon.com published "This Hypocrite Broke Up My Family" which stated that from 1965 to 1969, Hyde conducted an extramarital sexual affair with Cherie Snodgrass. At the time, Snodgrass was married to another man with whom she had three children. The Snodgrasses divorced in 1967. Hyde said the affair ended when Snodgrass' husband confronted Mrs. Hyde. The Hydes reconciled and remained married until Mrs. Hyde's death in 1992. Hyde, who was 41 years old and married when the affair occurred, admitted to the affair in 1998, describing the relationship as a "youthful indiscretion". The revelation of this affair took place as Hyde was spearheading the impeachment hearings of President Bill Clinton over the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 04:25 pm
@plainoldme,
The website of alecwatch.org, a page provided by a coalition of progressive organizations, claims that American Legislative Exchange Council's actual agenda is far from 'non-partisan.' AlEC states that vested interests of "corporate America" are better preserved if the general public does not know. According to alecwatch, " ALEC is little more than a screen for hundreds of big corporations and trade associations to advance their legislative agendas in state capitals from coast to coast."


Corporations and trade groups that have supported ALEC include: American Nuclear Energy Council, American Petroleum Institute, Coors Brewing Company, Texaco, Pharmaceutical Research & Manufacturers of America, Philip Morris, R.J. Reynolds Tobacco, VISA, Exxon Mobil, the National Rifle Association, Amway, and others.

Groups critical of ALEC claim that the organization is controlled by the entities that fund it, subsequently promoting donors' agendas and goals, along with attempting to advance legislation which favors their interests. NPR reported that the Corrections Corporation of America was present at meetings when legislators were introduced to model immigration laws, used for example as the template for Arizona SB 1070, passed in 2010. The report outlined how the group could be used to avoid state laws requiring legislators to disclose meetings with and gifts from politically unpopular corporations.

People for the American Way, the self-proclaimed left-wing advocacy group, refers to them as "a right-wing public policy organization with strong ties to major corporations, trade associations and right-wing politicians" with an agenda that "includes rolling back civil rights, challenging government restrictions on corporate pollution, limiting government regulations of commerce, privatizing public services, and representing the interests of the corporations that make up its supporters."
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okie
 
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Reply Sun 27 Mar, 2011 09:12 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
Anyone who still thinks the Tea Totalitarians are a grass roots organization should get ask should make certain to only cross where there is a crossing guard. The fascists are rising.
Has anyone else noticed that the more Liberalism fails, the more hysterical liberals become. Their chosen leader is not bringing them paradise as expected, and the hysteria is showing big time.
 

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