AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

@cicerone imposter,

That's why we are the land of opportunity and the preferred destination of so many immigrants.

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@georgeob1,

I've met CI, Georgeob, at one or two A2K gatherings. Sometime when you are in DC, please consider a day trip to Charlottesville.

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@realjohnboy,

Thank you, I will. I have a nephew who is an undergraduate at U VA there. (I even moonlighted as a Math instructor there long ago).

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@georgeob1,

Ohhh, is your name really Alexander Piers?

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

I think we drag the bottom rung of developed countries on that score.

You are free to move to another country if you thing it will be alot better somewhere else, imposter.

If I were you, I would in fact consider another country besides The Peoples Republic of California!!! Laughing

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@okie,

Who the fucks talking about "moving to another country?"
FYI, I'm just stating FACTS, that you ignore in most of your "opinions" and "claims."

Thank god you're not me!

Your talk is mostly bull ****; my lifestyle is better than the majority of Americans - even in California. Why would I move? My wife loves it here. You know nothing about me, and yet you try to suggest stupid things that make no sense or logic.

Aren't you happy that georgeob is your advocate?

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California's economy is the largest of any state in the US, and is the eighth largest economy in the world. As of 2008, the gross state product (GSP) is about $1.85 trillion, which is 13% of the United States gross domestic product (GDP). The state's GDP growth rate slowed to 0.4% in 2008 after having grown 3.1% in 2006 and 1.8% in 2007. As of 2010 California along with Texas leads all other states in the number of Fortune 500 headquarters at 57 companies each.

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@cicerone imposter,

I don't know whether or not you have kids CI, but if you do, then I think you can relate to the idea of telling one of them to move on out if all they could do every day was tell you how fucked up you were.

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@BillW,

BillW wrote:

California's economy is the largest of any state in the US, and is the eighth largest economy in the world. As of 2008, the gross state product (GSP) is about $1.85 trillion, which is 13% of the United States gross domestic product (GDP). The state's GDP growth rate slowed to 0.4% in 2008 after having grown 3.1% in 2006 and 1.8% in 2007. As of 2010 California along with Texas leads all other states in the number of Fortune 500 headquarters at 57 companies each.

If it is so prosperous, how come the deficit has now hit 25 billion, Bill? Hint, it aint because of conservatives living there or running the government there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/10/california-budget-deficit_n_781848.html
"SACRAMENTO, Calif. — California's nonpartisan legislative analyst says the state's budget deficit has grown to $25.4 billion and is now more than a fifth of the general fund."

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@okie,

okie, You are probably the dumbest poster on a2k. Almost all developed countries are running deficits, and that includes the US. Where did you study economics?

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@cicerone imposter,

I may be dumb, but I am not stupid, ci. I can at least balance my checkbook. Our school actually taught math when I went to school.

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@okie,

And that was in which grade?

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@cicerone imposter,

Every grade, ci. I think the last math class I took in our little backward two-bit country hick school was Algebra II or an advanced course in trigonometry.

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@okie,

I'm glad that your math studies allow you to balance your own checkbook.

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What's a checkbook?

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@realjohnboy,

rjb, It's one of those old-fangled little booklets that lets one keep track of their income and outgo to know what their "cash" balance is. The first column usually is the space for the date of the transaction, second column for who you paid or who paid you, the third column for the amount paid, the forth column for the amount credited, and the last column for the "current" balance.

It's not as easy as one thinks; my wife has difficult balancing her checkbook often, and she just rounds out to the nearest dollar. It seems to work for her.

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@cicerone imposter,

We might do a 100 transactions a day in my main store. Two or three checks at most.
I recall reading that Britain is planning on fazing out checks altogether in the next few years.

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@okie,

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If it is so prosperous, how come the deficit has now hit 25 billion, Bill? Hint, it aint because of conservatives living there or running the government there.

Actually, it is because of Conservatives who lived there. Energy deregulation in the 90's by Conservative governor Pete Wilson led to the Enron scandal, which put CA deep in debt to begin with. The dot-com crash hurt CA especially hard b/c many of the start-up companies were located here. Arnold got elected and proceeded to slash various taxes by billions of dollars.

The legislature, however, had a stupid 2/3rds rule which allowed a minority of Republicans to prevent ANY tax raises for the last decade or so. So CA couldn't even begin to address their problems. Then the crash hit in 2008 and CA's revenue stream went belly-up.

Blaming the whole thing on Liberals is ridiculous. It betrays a complete ignorance of the situation. Both parties are at fault for what went wrong in some ways...

Cycloptichorn

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@Cycloptichorn,

Cycloptichorn wrote:

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Energy deregulation in the 90's by Conservative governor Pete Wilson led to the Enron scandal, which put CA deep in debt to begin with. Cycloptichorn

No it was the asinine state attenpt at control of the wholesale electrical energy market, enacted under the ill-fated Gray Davis that did that. Seeing a lower spot market price for energy the state foolishly made itself the sole buyer of energy, creating a state agency to do this and mandating that it buy only on the spot market. Smarterr folks in ENRON and other companies promptly bought up all the long-term energy contracts, driving the spot market price through the roof. California taxpayers ended up footing the bill.

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@realjohnboy,

I'm not surprised; in the past, I usually wrote five-six checks every month. I'm lucky to write one check every month today, because I pay most of my bills through auto pay from my checking account.

Most of the time, I use cash for purchases.

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