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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2010 12:56 pm
@okie,
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They got caught up into the game and stayed in the game too long, but it was a game started, promoted, and enabled by the federal government.


1000% bullshit. Totally wrong.

Okie, who created the Mortgage-backed security? Who initially was making money off of them hand-over-fist? Who created the Credit Default Swap? Who created the fraudulent loans in the first place? Who convinced people that they could afford houses they couldn't afford?

The answer to NONE of those is the Federal government. F/F weren't even heavily involved in MBS' until 2004, and by then the market was already gigantic and banks were profiting tremendously off of them.

You're doing exactly what I warned you against the other day: starting with a conclusion, and to hell with any evidence that leads to a different one!

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2010 01:01 pm
The Democrat majority Congress began in 2007 its distruction of the US economy by repeatedly refusing to correct Fannie and Freddie, despite Bush's repeated pleas with them to do so.
talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2010 01:03 pm
@ican711nm,
GWB started the decline. Clinton left with surpluses.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2010 01:53 pm
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http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=19970&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=DPD
The Impact of Health Reform on Businesses

The health industry officially accounts for one-sixth of the American economy. Yet the effects of reforms to our health care system will go far beyond the health care sector and will impact every business in the United States, says Hadley Heath, a policy analyst at the Independent Women's Forum specializing in health care policy and economics.

The reforms in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, along with the Health Care and Education Reconciliation Act (both passed in March 2010), will have numerous far-reaching consequences for businesses. In particular, the new law will:

Significantly restrict the choices of employers and their employees with regards to health insurance coverage.

Raise taxes on businesses and create significant new paperwork burdens.

Discourage job creation and growth in the economy.

In evaluating this new health care legislation, it's important to consider not only how the new law impacts the medical system, health care costs and quality of care provided, but how the law affects businesses, workers and the general economy. Unfortunately, this law will have a significant negative impact on the business climate, will discourage business expansion and job creation, and will slow economic growth, says Heath.

Source: Hadley A. Heath, "The Impact of Health Reform on Businesses," Independent Women's Forum, October 2010.

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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2010 02:23 pm
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For the fifth time in seven years, Congress did not have the time to pass a budget, recessing early to campaign for the mid-term elections. It also punted for now, on extending the Bush tax cuts for everyone. [Hmm, yes, dems say "those only benefit the rich" --BUT THAT'S SIMPLY NOT TRUE!]

But lawmakers somehow had the time to propose new pork spending for fiscal 2011 !!

So far, the 2011 House spending bills contain nearly 3,000 earmarks worth $3 billion, while the Senate bills have more than 3,700 earmarks worth $6 billion, says Taxpayers for Common Sense, a fiscal watchdog group.

The new pork spending includes $1 million for the Sugarcane Research Laboratory in Houma, Louisiana; $623,000 for the Diet, Nutrition and Obesity Research Center in New Orleans; $500,000 for the John H. Chafee Center for International Business in Smithfield, RI; and more than $9 million in construction projects requested personally by President Barack Obama: for things like a boat ramp, helipads for a medical center, and a national monument in the Grand Canyon.

The fiscal 2011 pork is well on pace to match the 9,129 pork projects worth $16.5 billion in fiscal 2010, according to data from Citizens Against Government Waste.

All a dreadful showing because, for the first time in Congressional history, Congress recessed not just without finishing a budget, but without finishing a single spending bill, says Taxpayers for Common Sense. The House has only approved two, the Senate none, the fiscal watchdog group says.

Each year since 1969, Congress has spent more money than what is raised in federal tax revenue and other fees.

This year, Congress shoved the fiscal 2011 budget into the "War Supplement Bill,” tossing out the Presidential Budget Proposal for 2011.

Instead, the government is operating once more on a "continuing resolution,” meaning that Congress can continue spending without the guidelines of a budget — which it has done in five of the past seven years.

Recessing for midterm campaigning, Congress will come back for a lame duck session to work on extension of the Bush tax cuts and possibly 20 other legislative initiatives, including more pork spending, and a reported $1 trillion in additional deficit expenditures.

Congress also may take political cover in the new debt commission’s policy prescriptions to reduce the $13.9 trillion deficit, a report that is due on December 1.

Still little talk of a presidential line item veto, which the US Supreme Court struck down in 1998, where the president can cancel spending items without subject to a Congressional vote. The president can veto appropriations bills in their entirety, but not in part.

President Barack Obama last May proposed legislation that would make it easier for presidents to recommend excising pieces of spending bills that would be subject to a Congressional vote. Such enhanced presidential rescission power could help curtail the pork barrel spending that elected officials attach to appropriations bills.

But instead, Congress protected its power over the public purse and rejected that idea. This, despite the fact that Congress in recent years has handed over much of its legislative work to a broad array of commissions, boards, and advisory bodies, such as probing 9/11, dealing with Social Security and Medicare reform, and Wartime Contracting in Iraq and Afghanistan.

In fact, presidents do continue to have the power to propose rescissions, but no president has used it since 2000 because Congress routinely rejects them. The last time a president requested rescissions – three, worth only $128 million, in 2000 – Congress rejected all of them. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has proposed giving expedited-rescission powers for the president on several occasions, to no avail.

Washington's spending is eating up the largest portion of the economy in America's post-World War II history. The US has spent $3.5 trillion in fiscal 2010, while taking in only $2.2 trillion in tax receipts, creating a $1.3 trillion budget deficit, about the size of Canada’s whole economy, or about 10% of GDP.

That is the highest ratio of debt-to-GDP since World War II. The White House has proposed spending $3.8 trillion for fiscal 2011. The federal deficit is at $13.9 trillion, approaching the size of the US economy.

The Treasury Department spent so far this year $228 billion on interest on the national debt, a cost that is projected to increase to $375 billion by the end of the year, about the size of Belgium’s whole economy, and $571 billion in 2012. Factor in interest costs on US savings bonds, and on state and local bonds, and that $228 billion figure jumps to $414 billion.

Already, annual interest on the US debt would cover the annual budgets for about two dozen government agencies, including the legislative and judicial branches, and Homeland Security.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, have warned our nation’s debt poses a national security issue. The debt can be used by other countries to leverage the US into untenable policy positions.

talk72000
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2010 03:47 pm
@ican711nm,
No more steam? Just cut and paste like Massagato.
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parados
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2010 04:18 pm
@ican711nm,
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For the fifth time in seven years, Congress did not have the time to pass a budget

Let me see.. Last 7 years..
GOP controlled Congress for 5 of those 7 years.
So.. The GOP couldn't pass a budget in at least 3 out of the last 7 years. The Dems couldn't pass one a maximum of 2 of the last 7 years. Hmmmm.. which party should I vote for? The one that couldn't pass a budget 3 out of 7 or the one that couldn't pass it 2 out of 7....
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2010 07:56 pm
@talk72000,
talk72000 wrote:

GWB started the decline. Clinton left with surpluses.

Credit to the Republican Congress, especially Newt Gingrich.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2010 08:02 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Who convinced people that they could afford houses they couldn't afford? Cycloptichorn

Its called the Community Reinvestment Act, cyclops. Banks could not discriminate against high risk communities, which translates into not discriminating against high risk borrowers and high risk properties.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_Reinvestment_Act

"The Community Reinvestment Act (or CRA, Pub.L. 95-128, title VIII of the Housing and Community Development Act of 1977, 91 Stat. 1147, 12 U.S.C. § 2901 et seq.) is a United States federal law designed to encourage commercial banks and savings associations to meet the needs of borrowers in all segments of their communities, including low- and moderate-income neighborhoods.[1][2][3] Congress passed the Act in 1977 to reduce discriminatory credit practices against low-income neighborhoods, a practice known as redlining."
parados
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2010 09:07 pm
@okie,
It's funny how you think you get to interpret what other people say okie but if we do it to you we are liars.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 28 Oct, 2010 11:40 pm
@okie,
The vast majority of houses affected by this have nothing to do with the Community Reinvestment act. Part of the reason why is that CRA loans were required by law to have higher standards to qualify than the crazy loans that were handed out for the last decade.

Cycloptichorn
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 04:58 am
@mysteryman,
What you did was set up a strawman which is so often misidentified on this board that it bothers me a little.

Now, I teach college students how to write arguments. A strawman, to me, is offensive and bullying, because it is a technique used by the sly rather than the intelligent.

If you could read on a level serviceable to adults, you would have seen that your response was a total miss.

So, what is your reader supposed to preclude? Which of the logical conclusions would you prefer?

1.) That you can't read?

2.) That you know you haven't a leg to stand on but will bully anyway?

I DID NOT IMPLY THAT
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So, please explain how anyone offering amendments to the Constitution will make it unrecognizable.



Frame a question that is appropriate to my question and I will answer it.

I deal with people who are poor readers and poor reasoners all the time and life is not a busman's holiday.

Let's see if you can figure out what your problem is.

Here is my original statement again. Perhaps, reading it the third time will clarify it for you and allow you to finally get out of remedial classes.
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What I don't understand is how these people who claim to love the Constitution
1.) Want to amend it until it is unrecognizable;
2.) Want to overthrow the government completely

plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 05:02 am
@parados,
Although Massachusetts has been called Taxachusetts, there are states with far higher tax rates, many of them in the South. People from Southern states on vacation to visit historic sites in MA often buy household things (esp. kitchen appliances) to save money.

Now, there is a movement to lower sales taxes. Ridiculous.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 05:03 am
@H2O MAN,
I disagree: Conservatives lack both guts and ethics.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 05:05 am
@talk72000,
Actually, Ronald Raygun initiated the decline and enlarged government.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 05:06 am
My nephew asked on Facebook: How can Rand Paul be so popular with conservatives with a brother like Ru?
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 05:41 am
@plainoldme,
You are projecting your true understanding of Liberals.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 10:03 am
@plainoldme,
My reading and comprehension are just fine.

YOU said that certain people wanted to amend the Constitution till it was unrecognizable.
I didnt say that, YOU DID.

You have ducked and twisted to avoid answering the question, but I will ask it again...HOW do those certain unnamed people want to amend the Constitution?
Also, since both parties offer amendments all the time, if you were honest at all you would admit that.

Now, you also claimed that those same unnamed people wanted to overthrow the govt completely.
Again, YOU said that.
You werent quoting anyone, you werent paraphrasing anyone, YOU said that.

And I freely admitted that there are a few crackpots on all sides of the political spectrum that are always talking about that, but that there are no serious, credible leaders of any political party or group out there talking about it.

Again, if you think there are, name them and provide their statements, IN CONTEXT.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 01:59 pm
@okie,
okie, That "law" does not allow for loans to be made to unqualified buyers. Please show us where it says such a thing?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 29 Oct, 2010 02:15 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

okie, That "law" does not allow for loans to be made to unqualified buyers.


Slobbering Barney Frank and his democrat friends ignored the law and forced backs to make such loans.
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