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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2010 12:29 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Quote:
Not everything that everyone Right of Center says or advocates is an unstoppable slide into Socialism, man.

Cycloptichorn


Its nice of you to admit that.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2010 12:37 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Well, since, in your reply, you have given us a demonstration of the point I made, it isn't necessary to make any additional effort.


A weak dodge on your part; once again, you refuse to provide any proof to back up your accusations, and even more so, you pretend that you are not in fact guilty of the exact same thing you accuse me of. I think it's pretty clear to any reader that you have dropped this point completely because you have no response.

Surely you can do better than this pablum, it's hardly even an argument on your part. Just an assertion that you are right.

Cycloptichorn
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2010 12:37 pm
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Quote:
Not everything that everyone Right of Center says or advocates is an unstoppable slide into Socialism, man.

Cycloptichorn


Its nice of you to admit that.


Haha, you know what I meant!

Cycloptichorn
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 30 Sep, 2010 08:50 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
georgeob is supposed to be smart???

then why did he write this???!!!
Quote:
the act of a stupid (or "numb" to use POM's term) mass


How can anyone confuse the words stupid with numb? If george's limbs suffer from diminished circulation because of the way he sits and, to use the vernacular term, begin to "fall asleep," does he say his legs are stupid? If he sprains his ankle and applies ice to it, does he say his ankle has become 'stupid' when he reaches the point at which it stops hurting?
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 09:45 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

georgeob is supposed to be smart???

then why did he write this???!!!
Quote:
the act of a stupid (or "numb" to use POM's term) mass


How can anyone confuse the words stupid with numb? If george's limbs suffer from diminished circulation because of the way he sits and, to use the vernacular term, begin to "fall asleep," does he say his legs are stupid? If he sprains his ankle and applies ice to it, does he say his ankle has become 'stupid' when he reaches the point at which it stops hurting?


POM, why are you bitching to me?

I have no desire to get wrapped up in your arguments over people's personality, which frankly derail that threads and waste time. If you don't get along with people, try not talking to them, rather than waste 50 posts talking about it?

Cycloptichorn
mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 11:23 am
Bad timing for the President, more ammo for the repubs...

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/30/news/economy/subsidized_jobs_program/index.htm?hpt=T2

Quote:
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Tens of thousands of low-income workers lost their jobs Thursday as a stimulus-subsidized employment program came to an end


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Quote:
About half the jobs were summer employment for youth and the rest were for disadvantaged parents. Each state configured its initiative differently. Some covered all the workers' wages for a few months, while others paid for a portion of their salary.

With the program expiring, many of the adults have been told not to report to work anymore. And it won't be easy for them to find a new position at time when the unemployment rate continues to hover at 9.6%

Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 11:25 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

Bad timing for the President, more ammo for the repubs...

http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/30/news/economy/subsidized_jobs_program/index.htm?hpt=T2

Quote:
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Tens of thousands of low-income workers lost their jobs Thursday as a stimulus-subsidized employment program came to an end


snip

Quote:
About half the jobs were summer employment for youth and the rest were for disadvantaged parents. Each state configured its initiative differently. Some covered all the workers' wages for a few months, while others paid for a portion of their salary.

With the program expiring, many of the adults have been told not to report to work anymore. And it won't be easy for them to find a new position at time when the unemployment rate continues to hover at 9.6%




More ammo for the Republicans?!! Are you ******* kidding? They are the ones who blocked the program from continuing!!!! The Dems tried three separate times this year to re-authorize this program and each time the Republicans defeated it.

It's like you're living in bizzaro world, MM. Seriously.

Cycloptichorn
mysteryman
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 11:40 am
@Cycloptichorn,
It does not sat that in the CNN article.
It says that "federal officials" havent reauthorized it.

But either way, its still bad timing for the President and more ammo for the repubs to use on the campaign.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 11:48 am
@mysteryman,
mysteryman wrote:

It does not sat that in the CNN article.
It says that "federal officials" havent reauthorized it.

But either way, its still bad timing for the President and more ammo for the repubs to use on the campaign.


That's bullshit. You can't seriously be saying that Republicans could run on the fact that the President couldn't extend a program that they fought to block on multiple occasions. It's just a ridiculous position for you to take.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_09/025923.php

Quote:

September 30, 2010

R.I.P, TANF EMERGENCY FUND.... Readers probably got tired of my reports on one of the most effective federal jobs programs in recent memory, but it was my hope the Senate would find a way to keep it alive. As usually happens when counting on the Senate, those hopes were in vain.

At issue is the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) Emergency Fund, which should have been one of the most popular programs in Congress. A key component of the Recovery Act, the fund subsidizes jobs with private companies, nonprofits, and government agencies, and has single handedly put more than 240,000 unemployed people back to work in 32 states and the District of Columbia.

Governors, including Mississippi's Haley Barbour (R), have sung its praises, and urged its extension. In July, CNN called the TANF Emergency Fund "a stimulus program even a Republican can love."

Except, Republicans didn't love it. Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) led the floor fight this week, and was even willing to accept a compromise: instead of a year-long extension that Democrats had requested, Durbin sought a three-month extension, at a cost of just $500 million, in order to keep the fund alive through the end of the year. Sen. Mike Enzi (R-Wyo.) refused to allow it.


"The majority has known this program was going to expire at the end of this month all year and has taken no steps to reauthorize this important social safety net program," said Enzi, who blocked Durbin's request for "unanimous consent" for a reauthorization.

Enzi either isn't very bright or he hasn't been paying attention. Dems first tried to reauthorize the TANF Emergency Fund in March, but Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) blocked it. Dems tried again earlier this month, but Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) blocked it. Dems tried again this week, but Enzi blocked it.

Regardless, what difference does it make when and how often it's come up? If Enzi agrees that this is an "important social safety net program," then why the hell did he feel it necessary to let it die?

This isn't some academic exercise -- by killing the measure, Republicans will force thousands of Americans out of work. The House approved an extension of the program (twice) but the Senate GOP just didn't care. As a result, the TANF Emergency Fund comes to an end tonight at midnight. Thousands of layoffs will begin quickly, and continue as we get closer to the holiday season.

And we'll once again face an ironic dynamic: Americans will get frustrated with Democrats over more job losses, instead of the Republicans responsible for killing an effective program that kept tens of thousands on the job.

Indeed, in a sane political world, the death of the TANF Emergency Fund would be a pretty big scandal, and Republicans would have been afraid to kill an effective jobs program with an unemployment rate near 10%. Instead, the GOP is counting on being rewarded by Americans for taking steps like these, and polls suggest that's exactly what's going to happen.

Republicans will keep asking, "Where are the jobs?" and no one seems inclined to answer, "Your party got rid of them."
—Steve Benen 1:25 PM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (32)


Don't sling bullshit at me and say that it smells like roses, MM. The truth is that the post you made on this issue follows your pattern of posting: you find something that looks like it could be bad for Democrats, come here and post it without doing any research into the background. You oughta look this stuff up before commenting on it!

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 03:14 pm
Leftist liberals CONTINUE TO seek to secure their right to steal wealth others earn.

Rightist liberals CONTINUE TO seek to secure their right to retain wealth they earn.
talk72000
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 03:26 pm
@ican711nm,
You are one great spammer!!
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 07:51 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Your reaction resembles a drive in the rough. What a grouch or should I say what a lack of grounding if you think that was bitching at you.
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JamesMorrison
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 08:20 pm
Foxfyre in establishing the premise for this thread originally wrote:
Quote:
It has been widely speculated that President Bush and the GOP fell into widespread disfavor and lost majority control of Congress when they abandoned basic conservative principles.

It is a given that most American liberals didn't like President Bush to begin with and didn't vote for Republicans for Congress either. Therefore, it can be concluded that the GOP lost power when it violated those issues most important to their base generally imbedded in an ideology known as modern Conservatism.

As a replacement for the "Bush aftermath" thread which is drawing to a close, perhaps this thread could be a place where we could discuss where conservatives got it right, where we went wrong, what we need to do to regain the confidence of the Conservative base, and other GOP/Conservative issues.


The speculation of Fox's first paragraph has been proven true via current citizen actions, these especially relevant regarding the formation and growth of the Tea Party movement. Her second paragraph implies that even those voters who might vote for the GOP had big problems with that party because such voters found Republicans untrustorthy when they came to rely on the GOP to uphold the principles it was supposed to stand for. Further, as we have seen, the Independent voters have a large say in the outcome of national elections.

The third paragraph invites a discussion by conservatives to find their way out of the political wilderness. But, as we have seen lately, conservatives are still in the political wilderness. This despite a resurging GOP. Simply stated, with a GOP establishment that still has not called for a total and permanent ban of earmarks and a Balanced Budget Amendment in its 'Pledge' (not to mention some other 'Pledge' flaws) American Conservatism has a way to go. This is the establishment that gave us the likes of Crist, Castle, Specter, Murkowski, and Scozzafava.

Well the good news is that the GOP has a decent chance for significant gains in the midterms. The bad news is that it looks like the GOP establishment may go to war with the new crop of right wing conservatives. Hopefully, that will not happen.

Sooo have any of you thought about the 2012 POTUS election? See any candidates you like? Well ,forget that good looking mormon guy! Chris Christie (Gov-NJ) would be interesting but how about a Goldwater conservative, cerebral, soft spoken well educated, guy with real world experience? How about the Anti-Obama? How about This Guy?

Play the video and see what he has to say.
This could be Goldwater's time.

JM
plainoldme
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 09:24 pm
@JamesMorrison,
Quote:
This could be Goldwater's time.


Has Barry joined the Zombies?
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MontereyJack
 
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Reply Fri 1 Oct, 2010 09:35 pm
re JamesMorrison
John Bolton "soft-spoken"? He was an arrogant, abrasive, intolerant disaster as ambassador to the U.N., and you want him as president? You really must hate our country.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 07:25 am
@Cycloptichorn,
You do realize that the article I posted came straight from CNN.
If they didnt do the research, why are you blaming me?

And they are supposed to be the standard for fairness, arent they??
talk72000
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 12:44 pm
@mysteryman,
CNN run by the scion of bootlegger Bronfman of Seagrams fair?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 09:30 pm
The latest edition of NEwsweek features palin's "mama grizzlies" on the cover and asks if these female bears are actually protecting cubs.

Some interesting notes from the article:

sharron angle: Fought for the right of parents to allow their kids to attend small, homerun Christian schools. As a legislator, she voted against protecting women and children in domestic violence cases. Apparently, there was a bill that would have made valid in CO domestic violence charges that originated in another state.

nikki haley voted against kindergartens for at risk children.

palin slashed the funding for Covenant House which works with troubled teens, including pregnant teens.

While michelle bachman has taken in foster children, she still maintains an anti-abortion stance and she voted against extending maternity leave for federal workers to four weeks.

christine o'donnell has not had a job since 2004 and has embezzled campaign funds.

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plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 2 Oct, 2010 09:30 pm
The latest edition of NEwsweek features palin's "mama grizzlies" on the cover and asks if these female bears are actually protecting cubs.

Some interesting notes from the article:

sharron angle: Fought for the right of parents to allow their kids to attend small, homerun Christian schools. As a legislator, she voted against protecting women and children in domestic violence cases. Apparently, there was a bill that would have made valid in CO domestic violence charges that originated in another state.

nikki haley voted against kindergartens for at risk children.

palin slashed the funding for Covenant House which works with troubled teens, including pregnant teens.

While michelle bachman has taken in foster children, she still maintains an anti-abortion stance and she voted against extending maternity leave for federal workers to four weeks.

christine o'donnell has not had a job since 2004 and has embezzled campaign funds.

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mysteryman
 
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Reply Sun 3 Oct, 2010 09:45 pm
Does anyone know how many people actually showed up at the liberal rally in DC this weekend?

I would be interested in seeing how many showed up, compared to how many showed up at the Glenn Beck rally.
 

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