AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

surely if you just wandered around washington until you heard some loud mouth asshole spouting off you could find him

oh, wait, that describes everybody in washington

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Few elected Democrats, including Barack Obama, read the bills they vote for, because they claim those bills require experts to interpret. The Obama Healthcare Bill is just one of the more notorious examples of Democrat congress members voting for a bill they did not--and in most cases--have not yet read. They are incompetent!

We must vote out all our congressional representatives that did not and do not read what they vote for.

Leftist Liberals seek more government control over people's lives.
Rightist Conservatives seek more individual control over their own lives.

Leftist Liberals seek more equal distribution of wealth.
Rightist Conservatives seek more merit distribution of wealth.

Leftist Liberals seek more dependence by the needy on government charity and less dependence on private charity.
Rightist Conservatives seek less dependence by the needy on government charity and more dependence on private charity.

Leftist Liberals rarely specify what Leftist Liberals think and regularly specify what Rightist Conservatives think.
Rightist Conservatives regularly specify what Leftist Liberals think and regularly specify what Rightist Conservatives think.

Comedy is often more factual than what many people believe to be true; spot on!

Well, well, I can finally agree with something ican posted on a2k. I also believe the CBO's deficit numbers are a fraud. What will impact our economy are both the federal, state, and local deficits in addition to our trade deficits. All this while our productivity and GDP drops to levels that speaks loudly of a depression.

All those folks earning millions while more Americans lose their jobs and their homes are the culprit. Their greed will destroy their golden goose.

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Earnings that do not reflect justification like stock market fraud and corporate welfare, etc.

Would it be that different, mm. as there is good evidence that Martin Luther King was in fact a Republican.

"Earnings that do not reflect justification like stock market fraud and corporate welfare," public unsecured loan welfare, excessive non-military federal salaries, "etc."

A majority of congressional Democrats opposed the federal law signed by LBJ that eliminated segregation of white and black skinned people. A majority of congressional Republicans supported that law.

there is absolutely nothing partisan in mr. benningtons rhetoric, he has become equally dissatisfied with both parties in the last few decades, he sees the parties as carnies and the voters as rubes (and he spent time with carnivals as ayoung man, he knows how the games work), and until every american wakes up to the fact that their government is busted, it doesn't matter who's in power

ican, great points. I have been targeted for my repeated posts recommending the National Association of Black Republicans, which documents the history of how Democrats were the segregationists while Republicans did more for integration. I have also been castigated for suggesting that LBJ recognized the opportunity of keeping the blacks on their plantation by throwing them a bone, perhaps his Great Society was one bone. Remember the "throwing the bone" quote by LBJ? Many people have written about LBJ being a staunch racist before he changed course and realized many votes could be gained. I have tried to find the documentation of that quote but cannot find it. I did find a reference to it once a long time ago and posted it, but it somehow has disappeared.

I am posting the link again for the Black Republican Association, on which further links can be found such as MLK was a Republican. A huge percentage of our current population is totally unaware of some of these historical facts, which is a national tragedy, and the mainstream media is not about to do any kind of actual reporting on any of this stuff, nor is it apparently taught in school.

http://www.nbra.info/

okie, The Black Republican Association is a very small group within the black community in the US. They only represent themselves, and not all African Americans. I'm sure for you they are very hard concepts to understand.

Most Democrats WERE IN FACT segregationists while most Republicans were integrationists.

Okie, keep repeting those outstanding posts of yours. They are DESPERATELY NEEDED posts of truth.

I have been trying to figure out what it is that motivates leftist Liberals to malign and/or deny the truth. What are they afraid of? What fears compel them to malign those they disagree with rather than rationally debate those they disagree with?

The only theory I have thus far come up with is that they are terrified of discovering they are wrong. Why, I do not know!

Competent scientists, engineers, and yes even aviators, know that the discovery of truth is often a repeated discovery of one's own falsity before finally discovering truth.

In aviation, I am reminded of Chuck Yaegar's seminar many years ago. He was talking to mostly experienced pilots. One member of his audience during the seminar expressed the belief that Yaegar was the most competent pilot in the world.

Yaegar laughed and said, "I'm constantly making mistakes as I pilot, just like the rest of you. The only differences I have with many of you is I am constantly looking for my mistakes, and as a result I discover them more quickly. Those quick discoveries have often proven to be life savers."

Since then, I have repeated Yaegar's response to everyone of my students-- many times to them and many times to myself.

I think they are a smaller group than they deserve to be. Unfortunately the Democrats have been receiving around 90% of the black vote even though it is undeserved, simply because of the common misconseptions of history and the indoctrinations of young blacks, by a poor educational system, and by other blacks that also claim to speak for all black Americans. I have heard and read too many conservative black opinions in which they decry the lack of more informed citizens in the black community. Unfortunately, the ones that attack black conservatives in the most vicious manner are black people themselves that are usually in liberal and socialist agenda black organizations. I have deep admiration for folks like Clarence Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Michael Steele, the list is long. Another would be a black economist that has regularly sit in as host on Rush Limbaugh's show when Rush is out part of the time, Walter Williams, professor of economics at George Mason University. He is a solid conservative that leans toward libertarian with many of his views.

A couple of days ago, my son commented that it is too bad that the first black president was not someone like Colin Powell, as he would not have been nearly as divisive as an Obama that brings more radical politics to the table and ends up dividing the country more than it was prior to the election. I had to agree, because even though I have a few problems with Colin Powell's views because he has not been consistently conservative, he would have been far better than what we have. In Powell, we would have a man that loves his country and at least has some reasonable degree of common sense, and would not be appointing radicals to the administration, nor would he be driving headlong toward a more socialist state, no I do not believe he would be doing that. I think he was pretty naive to endorse Obama, and I wonder now what he really thinks in his heart about that?

The sad thing, ci, is that no black organization should be claiming to speak for all black people in this country, and so the ones that do are obviously puffed up in their own self importance. The National Black Republicans Association claims to speak for black Republicans, that is all as far as I can tell, and that is entirely accurate. They would like to recruit more members however by educating more people to what really happened in history, and get other blacks to move off of the Democratic Party plantation.

Again, the link: http://www.nbra.info/

Here is another great article that I am posting the link, this on "Race Card Fraud" by Thomas Sowell:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/07/20/race_card_fraud_106382.html

I have done considerable thinking about that as well, ican, and here are a few thoughts about that. I actually have come to believe that our political beliefs follow or are founded upon our religious beliefs.

Conservatives I believe almost all believe in the one God, the God that the Declaration of Independence is based upon, and they believe that people are largely responsible for themselves to work out, and that most problems are between them and their God. Parallel with that philosophy is a set of moral standards that accompany that belief in God, for example that life is sacred and that God has not only endowed us our rights, but that we also have been given responsibilities to ourselves and to each other, and to a nation founded upon those beliefs. There is also a recognition that evil has been created as well, and that human nature has certain tendencies given it since the dawn of man, one being that wars will probably always occur, and the most realistic thing we can do is to protect ourselves and be willing to fight for those freedoms and life given us. So, conservatives tend to believe in a set of absolutes, that there is good and evil, right and wrong, which we are responsible to uphold, protect, and to fight for.

Now, in contrast, liberals tend not to believe in one God, not to say some or many are not religious, but they see moral codes as a moving set of principles that are subject to change, and that government is mankind's best hope of wrongs being set right. Declarations of right and wrong are scary to them, and so that is what they fear, they do not feel comfortable with being told their world in shades of gray is not accurate. That is why the constitution to them is a living breathing document, to be changed. Another example is abortion, which is not a right wrong issue to them, it is an issue to be decided according to personal convenience. A moral code can and should be changed according to the liberal world, to fit whatever is trendy or convenient for whatever time we happen to live, and whoever is in charge. Man is their god, as is government, there are no absolutes in their world.

In accord with what I have just said, truths and absolutes are difficult for them to accept and therefore they are afraid of them and deny them. It is easier for them to live in a world of shades of gray, because it lessens their feelings of guilt and personal responsibility. Notice most leftists love the term, social justice, social justice is government righting the wrongs, and this allows them to escape guilt and their own responsibilities by supporting a government that promises to work for and achieve social justice through governmental policies rather than personal behavior and actions. I have long noticed that Hollywood actors are a good example of the attitudes I have discussed. They often live immoral and vain lives, but by being liberal they can support causes and social justice that seems to assuage their guilt complex about their lives. Another example is a George Soros, that must feel guilty about all his money and perhaps how he got it, because it seems he may be trying to relieve his feelings of guilt by pushing this country toward a socialist or even communist system. His supposed compassion for people much poorer than he would relieve him of his guilt over having so much money that he has not even earned, and may have engaged in questionable means to obtain.

And since Man and government is the God of liberals, they actually believe in some fairly unrealistic things, such as they can eliminate all wars, and that perhaps one world government could bring about some global utopian paradise of some kind for all people. Much of this is due to their lack of understanding what human nature really is, and what defines good and evil, or even that evil actually exists. Actually it does exist in their mind, evil resides with people that make moral judgements of right and wrong, which is very scary to them and so they work very hard to demonstrate such people are actually not real and that they are hypocrites and the evil ones. This is evidenced by the posts right here on this forum, as they attempt to make good into evil and evil into good, also right into wrong and wrong into right, also common sense into stupidity, and ignorance into intellectual brilliance, and unreality into reality and vice versa.

That was a tough question, ican, and I am sure I will be ridiculed and criticized unmercifully here because I have dared to try to answer it as well as I can, according to my opinions resulting from over a half century of life now.

I don't think so. He has told me over and over again and again that he refuses to even read my "ideologic" posts. Therefore I think I will be so spared, at least on A2K.

Be Happy, Nov 2, 2010 is fast approaching with the hope that future changes can produce a better America for all A2Kers!

Later,

JM

Hi CI,


You are welcome to your opinion here but it seems a majority of Americans disagree. I, and the majority of Americans regard 9/11 in exactly the light that al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, and their supporters do; as a successful attack on the U.S., pure and simple. What is interesting about the GZ Mosque is that the left's narrative that tries to convince 70% of Americans that their concern about the mosque merely reveals their bigotry has now produced a growing chorus from many that reveals a much, much bigger issue. That issue is that Islam is actively aggressive towards the West. They have co-opted Europe and now will attempt the same regarding the real western power, America. This is a battle between those that correctly recognize this conflict as a Samuel Huntington "Clash of Civilizations" and those like Obama and Francis 'End of History" Fukuyuma that long for the 'One World' scenario. Funny thing here: Both Obama and Al Qaeda strive for the same goal although they would probably disagree on whom, exactly, would rule such a world. Also, it should be noted that us Americans did not start this conflict, despite the left’s insistence that it did.

Unfortunately, both America and moderate and peaceful Muslims are both victims of this up and coming Islam. So we now find that Imam Rauf* attempts to soften up Americans sufficiently so that Al Qaeda can finish them off. Both Americans and peaceful Muslims are at a distinct disadvantage. Americans because of their tolerance and individual liberties and peaceful Muslims because the religion they follow contains the seeds of their undoing in allowing the corruption of jihad by religious zealots, unless, of course, they repudiate and physically oppose such zealotry. These zealots will kill peaceful Muslims and justify the action by labeling them apostates, pure and simple. Sharia will allow much when interpreted by such zealots.

* (It's important to examine Raufs statements carefully and to view the various translations of his book.
Andrew McCarthy who prosecuted the original WTC bombers (remember that?) has some excellent points to make about so called 'Moderate Muslims' like Rauf. This is important to know for when America gets an administration that really wants to protect it. Take the time and read it, view the video, and explore the links here: http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/245004/why-they-can-t-condemn-hamas-andrew-c-mccarthy )



Well, of course. This is exactly what Rauf meant when he called the U.S. an "accomplice" in the 9/11 terrorist attack. So much for sensitive and 'Moderate' Imams in their search for community outreach! Mayor Giuliani stated this was the exact thing the Saudi Prince said about 9/11 and the exact reason why the Mayor refused the Prince's 10 million dollar blood money 'gift' to NYC.

Simply terrorist? You know as well as anybody that terrorist acts are backed up by some type of political view or ideology. The particular ideology expressed here, or more accurately the prescriptive of it, was that of Al Qaeda's, specifically, to kill as many Americans as often as possible. The 9/11 act by radical Islam followers is one of many in a long list carried out by those that view us as enemies that has stretched back many years. With Obama's effort to reach out to Islam we have witnessed a reaction from them that further informs us that they have no interest in trying to get along with the West. They have labeled us as their enemy therefore we have no reasonable and sane choice but to treat them accordingly. Obama’s out stretched hand has only convinced Iran et al of our weakness and lack of resolve thereby making the relationship even more dangerous and bringing us closer to conflict.
However, that GW failed to "heed all the warnings" begs the question: What was an American President to do given such "warnings" from those who already wished us dead? Indeed, given the results of Obama's appeasement efforts how are we to deal with a nuclear Iran, an Iran that has already supplied Hamas with 60,000 rockets? (Let’s not forget that Bill Clinton also let Al Qaeda’s warnings go unheeded)

Not sure about the sacredness, as it were, of GZ. However, initially, this mosque thing would have been correctly viewed as a local issue. We have only been treated nationally to the intricacies of both sides of this issue due to President Obama's overwhelming need to pontificate on just about everything, even cops acting "stupidly". But this might be a good thing if it keeps Obama busy enough to stop him from picking on U.S. allies, like, well, Israel.


Carlin (God Bless his soul) was hot in my college time but I often wonder whether there was a direct relationship between the hilarity of his work and the THC blood level of the listener. Have you ever listened to the political satire of Mort Sahl? Excellent, so much so he kind of got black listed on TV. The internet would have changed his career. But I do love Chris Rock!

JM

JM, You start off with the wrong premise; it's not ground zero. It's two blocks away, and the city already approved the community center/mosque that was a coat factory before.

If you're going to try a make a point, at the very least, start with facts.

I think the mosque building is far from actually happening. At least I hope so.

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2010/August/ACLJ-Expands-Lawsuit-Against-NYC-Mosque/

"ACLJ Expands Lawsuit Against NYC Mosque

A New York City firefighter and 9/11 survivor hoping to stop a mosque from being built near Ground Zero has broadened his lawsuit to include more New York City officials.

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"The revelation that a public utility owns part of the site raises a whole host of new legal questions and requires the involvement of a new public agency and possibly additional public hearings," he continued. "That, coupled with the Landmarks Commission's procedural violations and deviations from administrative precedent, only strengthens our legal challenge."