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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 11:23 am
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Freedom of religion does not mean tolerance for treason

Date: 8/25/2010 10:56:41 AM

By Bryan Fischer for Rightly Concerned -a blog of American Family Association


“Treason against the United States, shall consist...in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” Article III, Section 3

Treason is the only crime identified in the Constitution. And this is for a good reason - no nation can survive if it does not punish those who are determined to destroy it from within.

Our enemy is authentic Islam and our enemies are devout Muslims who actually believe in their holy scripture and are determined to follow the sacred teachings of their god. They are our enemies for the simple reason that their god commands them to kill us.

Treason consists in adhering to such enemies or giving them aid and comfort. This is precisely why the mosque should not be built at Ground Zero, and why zoning commissions are well within their rights to deny permits to build any more mosques in the United States.

There is no provision in the Constitution that says we must allow traitors to flourish in our midst as long as they happen to be religious. Religious traitors are just as traitorous as the non-religious kind.

It will be no defense for a Muslim to say that his treason against the United States is okay because it was done in the name of his god. That ain’t gonna fly.

It’s not as if the American people are going to say, well, it’s bad that you are working to exterminate and destroy America from within, and ordinarily we’d have to punish you, but because you’re doing it for Allah it’s okay. Go, be warm and filled. Knock yourselves out.

The bottom line is that the First Amendment provides no cover, no shelter, no excuse for treason. All this blather about religious liberty is just that - blather. The First Amendment, for devout Muslims in the U.S., is nothing more than a borrowed cloak of righteousness to conceal a heart of darkness.

Each mosque adheres to a treasonous ideology by virtue of the fact that they are bitter clingers when it comes to the Koran. Over 100 verses in the Koran call for the death of infidels.

It’s worth noting that the funding for 80% of the mosques in the United States comes from Saudi Arabia, the home of Wahhabism, the most virulent strain of Islam on the planet.

Saudi Arabia sends jihadist educational materials to each one of these mosques, material which calls on devout Muslims to shed the blood of infidels, both Jew and Christian. Each Saudi-Arabian mosque is, by definition, a center for treasonous ideology.

If there are 3,000 mosques in the United States, then we have reasons to worry about 2,400 of them.

The stated goal of the Muslim Brotherhood and its various arms is to “exterminate and destroy Western civilization.” What is there about “exterminate and destroy” that brain-addled Americans not understand?

They have told us what their agenda in North America is. Only willful blindness keeps foolish Americans from failing to recognize the danger in our midst.

The Hutaree Militia in some way tipped their hand to authorities, letting them know that it was not an innocent Christian group organized for purposes of self-defense but something sinister and twisted. The Hutaree could claim no protections under the First Amendment once their agenda and actions became subversive. They are currently pondering the limits of the First Amendment from the inside of a jail cell, where they belong.

Well, 80% of the mosques in America have tipped their hand. Their goal is to facilitate the death of the infidel Christians and Jews in America and fly the flag of Islam over the White House. Their goal is to give “Aid and Comfort” to those who want to destroy us.

At a minimum, this means that every mosque in America must be infiltrated by the FBI, just as agents infiltrated the Christian Hutaree Militia, so that plots against America can be strangled in the cradle.

And it also means that no city council should allow itself to be browbeat into granting building permits to an organization - the religion of Islam - whose god commands his followers to kill the members of that city council. “Slay the idolaters wherever you find them,” the god of the Holy Koran says. What kind of insanity is it to insist that special protections be granted to those whose sacred Scripture commands them to kill us? It is mind-numbed craziness to cooperate with that.

Perhaps zoning commissioners can ask Muslims seeking a building permit the following questions:

1. Do you renounce the 109 verses in the Koran in which Allah calls for the death of infidels?
2. Do you renounce the teachings in the Koran that compel Christians and Jews to convert, submit, or die?
3. Do you believe that Muslims should be able freely to convert to Christianity anywhere in the world without penalty?
4. You want to build your mosque here in our city. Do you believe that Saudi Arabia should allow the building of churches in Mecca?
5. Do you renounce Hamas, which our government recognizes as a terrorist organization? And do you renounce Hezbollah and its attacks against civilians in Israel?
6. Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist?

Their answers will be No, No, No, No, No and No. And that should be the answer of city officials to their request to build a center for treason in their community, at Ground Zero no less.

plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 11:24 am
@okie,
C word
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 11:24 am
@okie,
There is a warm place reserved for you in the here after.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 11:25 am
@ican711nm,
Same difference, intellectual void.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 11:26 am
@ican711nm,
You don't believe in freedom unless it is adhering to what you say. What a totalitarian you are.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 11:28 am
@plainoldme,


Yeah, they're almost as bad as George Soros.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 11:32 am
Quote:

Stop the Liberal Lies About Illegal Immigration
...
EXCLUSIVE: DHS Caught and Released 481 ‘Fugitive’ Illegals from State Sponsors of Terror and ‘Countries of Interest’ !

CNSNews.com Editor in Chief Terry Jeffrey interviews Sheriff Larry
Dever of Cochise County, Arizona. Click here to read Terry’s article.

The liberal media are not reporting the truth about the new Arizona immigration law (SB1070). Instead, the so-called “news” media are ignoring the will of the people, who have made it clear that they want our borders secured. Instead of reporting the truth about the sentiments of the American people, the Obama-controlled media are pushing their own agenda -- expressing disdain and contempt for the new Arizona law and any other attempt to quell the illegal immigration problem in the U.S.

This lack of honest news coverage threatens the ability of our nation to deal with the crisis on our southern border.

A prime example is the just-released Media Research Center review of morning and evening news programs on ABC, CBS, and NBC from April 23 to July 25 that found the networks have aired 120 stories with an almost ten-to-one tilt against the Arizona law (77 negative, 8 positive, 35 neutral)! This reaction to a common-sense measure designed to assist the federal government in locating illegals is insane! And it’s out of step with the vast majority of Americans.

The MRC is committed to doing everything that we can to force honest and accurate coverage of (1) the depth of the problems caused by illegal immigration, (2) good faith efforts by states like Arizona to control the problem, and (3) reported plans by the Obama Administration to grant amnesty to illegals by executive fiat!

cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 11:34 am
@ican711nm,
ican, "The will of the people" can oftentimes be wrong.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 11:42 am
@plainoldme,
How about you, plainoldme? What are your answers to the following questions?
Quote:
Perhaps zoning commissioners can ask Muslims seeking a building permit the following questions:

1. Do you renounce the 109 verses in the Koran in which Allah calls for the death of infidels?

2. Do you renounce the teachings in the Koran that compel Christians and Jews to convert, submit, or die?

3. Do you believe that Muslims should be able freely to convert to Christianity anywhere in the world without penalty?
...
5. Do you renounce Hamas, which our government recognizes as a terrorist organization?

And do you renounce Hezbollah and its attacks against civilians in Israel?

6. Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist?

Plainoldme, "You don't believe in freedom unless it is adhering to what you say. What a totalitarian you are."
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 11:49 am
@ican711nm,
ican711nm wrote:

How about you, plainoldme? What are your answers to the following questions?
Quote:
Perhaps zoning commissioners can ask Muslims seeking a building permit the following questions:

1. Do you renounce the 109 verses in the Koran in which Allah calls for the death of infidels?

2. Do you renounce the teachings in the Koran that compel Christians and Jews to convert, submit, or die?

3. Do you believe that Muslims should be able freely to convert to Christianity anywhere in the world without penalty?
...
5. Do you renounce Hamas, which our government recognizes as a terrorist organization?

And do you renounce Hezbollah and its attacks against civilians in Israel?

6. Do you believe that Israel has a right to exist?



I'm not POM, but I'll answer ya anyway:

Screw you and your questions. Nobody has to answer these stupid questions in America, because people are free to build what they like no matter what religion they are. All these show is that the author is an extreme bigot who knows little to nothing about Muslims or the Islaamic religion. And your parroting of it shows that you are as well, Ican.

Cycloptichorn
ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 11:50 am
@cicerone imposter,
"The will of the people" was clearly wrong when the people willed in 2006 and 2008 a Democrat majority in both houses of Congress.

"The will of the people" was clearly wrong when the people willed in 2008 the election of Barack Obama to be President.

Let's see if the people rectify what they foolishly previously willed, and eliminate the Democrat majorities in either or both houses of Congress.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 12:19 pm
@ican711nm,
Your problem is that you are unawares of the simple fact that majority rule by anybody is wrong when it goes against what America should stand for; liberty, freedom for all, tolerance, love thy neighbor as thyself, and make our country strong (and I don't mean only military).
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 12:35 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Cycloptichorn wrote:
... people are free to build what they like no matter what religion they are.

All municipalities in the USA have established zoning ordnances. In particular, some of these ordnances prohibit the construction of particular kinds of buildings, or particular uses of buildings, in specific communities within their municipalities.

Is the area in and around Ground Zero currently zoned to prohibit the construction of buildings of certain kinds? I think probably yes. Consequently, a new ordnance could be established for the area in and around Ground Zero, if New York City's legislature chooses to zone it to prohibit the use of a building there to advocate the murder of particular kinds of members of their community.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 12:37 pm
@ican711nm,
Quote:
Consequently, a new ordnance could be established for the area in and around Ground Zero, if New York City's legislature chooses to zone it to prohibit the use of a building there to advocate the murder of particular kinds of members of their community.


2 points:

1, this project has already passed the NYC zoning board. So your argument fails there.

2, and more importantly, nothing about this building would lead anyone to believe that they advocate murder or anyone. That's that old-time bigotry rearing it's head again, Ican.

Cycloptichorn
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:41 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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Why would family members help them make a sound policy decision in any way?


Don't most of those family members live in CT and NJ? What hegemony would they have over NYC?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:42 pm
@georgeob1,
Actually, the proper phrase is almost as good. Do you have $100 M with which to do evil?
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 01:43 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Thanks, cyclo! I appreciate your effort on my behalf as I was working on a syllabus today.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 02:21 pm
PERTINENT EXCERPTS FROM THE KORAN
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http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/ot2www-koran?specfile=%2Flv2%2Fenglish%2Frelig%2Fkoran%2Fwww%2Fkoran.o2w&query=wherever+you+find+them&docs=text&sample=1-100&grouping=work
Chapter 2: The Cow : 2.217: ... whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies while an unbeliever ...

Chapter 9: The Immunity : 9.5: ... slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush ...

Chapter 9: The Immunity : 9.123: ... fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil)

PERTINENT EXCERPT FROM AL QAEDA FATWAH
Quote:

http://www.ict.org.il/articles/fatwah.htm
Osama Bin Laden: Text of Fatwah Urging Jihad Against Americans-1998

… On that basis, and in compliance with Allah's order, we issue the following fatwa to all Muslims:
The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies -- civilians and military -- is an individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it, in order to liberate the al-Aqsa Mosque and the holy mosque [Mecca] from their grip, and in order for their armies to move out of all the lands of Islam, defeated and unable to threaten any Muslim. This is in accordance with the words of Almighty Allah, "and fight the pagans all together as they fight you all together," and "fight them until there is no more tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah."

PERTINENT EXCERPT FROM AL QAEDA WARNING
Quote:

http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00035.html
Al-Qaida Statement Warning Muslims Against Associating With The Crusaders And Idols; Translation By JUS; Jun 09, 2004 from the Al-Qaida Organization of the Arab Gulf; 19 Rabbi Al-Akhir 1425

… No Muslim should risk his life as he may inadvertently be killed if he associates with the Crusaders, whom we have no choice but to kill.

… Everything related to them such as complexes, bases, means of transportation, especially Western and American Airlines, will be our main and direct targets in our forthcoming operations on our path of Jihad that we, with Allah's Power, will not turn away from.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 03:32 pm
@ican711nm,
ican, thanks for confirming what I wrote. It is obvious to anyone with any sense here that can read, as to what I wrote. As I said to pom, I don't know if she is unable to read with comprehension, or she intentionally twists and lies about what I write here. It is sad to have to deal with such idiocy as pom posts here on a forum that should have intelligent debate go on.

It is okay to disagree with each other, but deliberately twisting or lying about what has been written, that is just nonsensical in my opinion.
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okie
 
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Reply Thu 26 Aug, 2010 03:57 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
What you claim as "sound policy decision" doesn't exist on this issue with outside input. The only sound decision are "non-discrimnatory, non-bigoted, and is consistent with our Constitution."

Actually, I think my Sand Creek Massacre National Historic Site comparison to Ground Zero stands as a pretty good one. I have done some reading about that during the past few years when the site was proposed for protection, including some of the talks with different groups about the site. If I am not mistaken, I believe a group of descendants or members of the tribe that trace back to what happened at Sand Creek were in fact in on the talks about the site and did provide input into the planning process for the National Park Service. In so doing, it gave them a feeling that they mattered, that they had some input into the processs, which was a very good thing.

The exact same principle applies to Ground Zero. The victims there have a higher degree of impact to their families and I believe it is important for them to know that they matter, their opinions matter. That does not mean that their suggestions have to be taken or even shold be taken to the letter or followed exactly, but it is much wiser to include them in the process and give their opinions due consideration in the planning process. I think that is simple common sense and it also shows a proper respect to those families that have suffered the most in the most direct way.

It would be interesting to research what has happened at the Pearl Harbor national historic parks, historical sites, and landmarks, whether the National Park Service obtained input from the families or veterans groups linked to those that died or served there, but it would not surprise me at all if they did. It would frankly surprise me more if they did not. If anyone has further information on that, it would of course be interesting and pertinent to the situation at Ground Zero.

Liberal whackos are now attempting to twist the Mosque issue and accuse Republicans of bigotry. Bigotry accusations by Democrats are frankly getting more than tiresome and frankly silly. Would the creators of those sites at Pearl Harbor been accused of bigotry following World War II? The answer is obviously not. The question looms for America, are there still enough common sense Americans to turn the tide against liberal whackoism, extremism, and radical thinking?
 

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