AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

I see you are going back to the old liberal well, using the demagoguery of "greed." The term is one of the most misused and misunderstood term by liberals that could ever possibly be.

I beg your pardon, I am not motivated by greed, Mr. Holier than thou, cyclops. Apologize or get lost.

And besides, whether I am greedy or anyone else is greedy is none of your lousy business, okay. You are the greedy one for demanding part of my earnings to support your liberal crap.

Apologize? On another thread, you just told me that I would have supported Stalin, had I been around then. You are hardly in the position to demand apologies from anyone, sir.Cycloptichorn

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Apologize? On another thread, you just told me that I would have supported Stalin, had I been around then. You are hardly in the position to demand apologies from anyone, sir.Cycloptichorn

I have no apologies to make. Your argument consistently show you support strong state run socialist policies, of which Stalin was a poster boy for. Face it, cyclops, face up to what you are supporting. I am done sugarcoating these lousy subjects here on this forum. I might as well call it for what it is, and your opinions speak for themselves, you are a big statist and socialist.

Like I said - everything comes down to 'your earnings.' I'm sorry to tell you that your greed - your wish to maximize your income at the cost of all other factors - IS my concern. I won't tolerate folks like you writing the rules for the country, because I don't think placing Greed on a pedestal the way you have is a positive thing to do or the right way for our country to go.

Cycloptichorn

Yes, dude, it does. Conservatives wish to return to the time before modern reforms existed, because they disagree with those reforms on ideological grounds - mostly they disagree with anything that restrains greed.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Like I said - everything comes down to 'your earnings.' I'm sorry to tell you that your greed - your wish to maximize your income at the cost of all other factors - IS my concern. I won't tolerate folks like you writing the rules for the country, because I don't think placing Greed on a pedestal the way you have is a positive thing to do or the right way for our country to go.

Cycloptichorn

You sir, do not believe in America and what it was founded upon. Sorry, but you, sir, are full of bs. I should have known that a Berkeley liberal is a socialist or communist at his root. Is there any hope for you, it looks doubtful. When you talk about greed, you have no clue what you are talking about. It is you and your buddies like Obama that are full of greed.

It is neither overused or mis-used, Okie. It is an accurate description of your primary motivator and that of other modern Conservatives. It grates on you because it hits home, and it's hard for you to admit to yourself.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Yes, dude, it does. Conservatives wish to return to the time before modern reforms existed, because they disagree with those reforms on ideological grounds - mostly they disagree with anything that restrains greed.

There you go again on greed. You sound like all the great leftists in history, guys like Pol Pot, Chairman Mao, Stalin, Hitler, and all the rest of those great leaders.
Hey, what business do you have in defining and legislating greed out of existence? How about hatred, envy, jealosy, and all of those other terrible traits as well. Is that your religion, believing in governments ability to do away with those bad things? We have laws in regard to actions, but we do not have laws that control thought, and that is for a reason, cyclops. We have freedom of thought, but we do not have freedom to murder others due to our hatreds, envy, and jealosy, and we do not have freedom to steal from others due to our greed, envy, and jealosy, and hatred for others.

Cyclops, seriously, you have some very basic hangups and foggy thinking at the root of your political views that you really need to work on. You seem to not understand the basics of what government should do and why. And you really do not understand what America is and what its principles are.

How exactly am I 'full of greed?' I don't want anything of yours, Okie. None of the programs I support spending money on really benefit me. I don't need housing or Health insurance assistance. I support raising MY OWN taxes along with everyone else's. What about that is greedy?

You OD persist in clearly revealing your own motivations by falsely accusing Conservatives of possessing the very damnable characteristics of yourselves. Your greed for the power to steal what others have lawfully earned is despicable.

You justify your greed for power to steal by claiming your objective is helping those who have less to have more. But the truth is what you advocate reduces what everyone has. In particular, the implementation of what you OD advocate reduces everyone's liberty, and therefore everyone's opportunities, to lawfully earn what they want.

You OD constitute the scum of the human race.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

Yes, dude, it does. Conservatives wish to return to the time before modern reforms existed, because they disagree with those reforms on ideological grounds - mostly they disagree with anything that restrains greed.

Let's not get bogged down with whether these changes have been for the better or detrimental, the question is whether they are liberal.
I am confused by your definition of 'conserving'. If you are making an argument to change the current situation, aren't you at that time making an argument for change? Even if that situation has existed before. And those who oppose you, aren't they defending the status quo, even if what they defend was just implemented a decade ago?

You OD constitute the scum of the human race.

Cycloptichorn wrote:

How exactly am I 'full of greed?' I don't want anything of yours, Okie. None of the programs I support spending money on really benefit me. I don't need housing or Health insurance assistance. I support raising MY OWN taxes along with everyone else's. What about that is greedy?

Isn't it greedy to be fine with giving away the income of "the rich", because you think you'll never be rich yourself?

What you receive is an opportunity for self-congratulation at the expense of other people.

None of what I wrote was made up, that is a complete lie that you put forth when you say it was made up. The stuff I wrote there is obvious and true, you can find it yourself in the history books.

I did in fact find three factors, main ones, there could be more. If you do not believe what I wrote to be accurate, then provide evidence to the contrary, but you can't because it is factual.

Its an insult to your history, because it does not coincide with your twisted liberal view of history, it is instead based upon common sense reading of history that anyone can do. And I was not thoroughly destroyed on that thread, in fact the facts remain as a monument to the truth of history.

You have no idea what America was 'founded upon.' You've done no research or scholarship into the issue. You just believe that everyone is exactly like you.

The Declaration of Independence adopted in Congress July 4, 1776.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

The Constitution of the United States of America became effective March 4, 1789.
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Amendment X, ratified December 15, 1791.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.