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AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

 
 
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 01:29 pm
@parados,
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Keep in mind that all children start out as leftists, some grow up, some don't


I was ignoring this statement because it was sooooo ignorant. Children do not start out anything. However, should anyone want to retain this piece of garbage, I would suggest this correction:

Keep in mind that all children start out blank slates. The lucky ones grow up to be ethical and aware, in other words, liberals. Some just age into senility, that is, become right wingers.
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xris
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 01:30 pm
@ican711nm,
Accumulation of property what property?
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 01:31 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
I would add that despite the "show" made of the recent expulsion of the Tea Party Express, that there is a racist element to the Tea Party just as there is a racist element to the American right.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 03:58 pm
@plainoldme,
And there is also a "racist" element to the American left.
Why do you refuse to admit that also?
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 04:01 pm
@mysteryman,
i believe stealers wheel said it best

clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here i am, stuck in the middle with you
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 04:07 pm
@xris,
Greed for profit by cpitalists is limited by the rule of law.

Greed for power by government is alos limited bythe rule of law ... if the law is enforced.

It appears that the O-D's (i.e., Obama-Democrat's) greed for power is not yet limited by the rule of law.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 04:10 pm
@xris,
xris wrote:
Accumulation of property what property?
Money and the other property money buys.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 04:21 pm
@mysteryman,
That only exists in the twisted imagination of the right.
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 04:23 pm
@plainoldme,
So there is absolutely no racism, of any kind, on the left side of the political spectrum?
Is that what you are claiming?
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 04:25 pm
@mysteryman,
there is racism everywhere
mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 04:28 pm
@djjd62,
I agree.
But according to POM, there is no racism from the left.
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 04:56 pm
@plainoldme,
There is little or no "racist element" to the Tea Party and there is little or no "racist element" to the American right. There is a large "racist element" to the O-D and to the American Left.

Both the O-D and the American Left are repeatedly propagandizing their fairy tale that people who do not think what they think are no damn good--that is, are "racists." The O-D and the American Left don't refer to the skin color of those in the Tea Party or on the American right (many are black, brown, yellow and red skinned as well as white skinned). They condemn us on the right for our rejection of leftist doctrine. By that evil behavior they have given an additional meaning to the word "racist."
Quote:

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=racist&x=29&y=5
Main Entry: 1rac·ist
Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: rsst
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): -s
Etymology: probably from French raciste, from race + -iste -ist
: one who advocates or believes in racism

http://unabridged.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/unabridged?va=racism&x=26&y=6
Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation Guide
Pronunciation: rsizm
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): -s
Etymology: probably from French racisme, from race + -isme -ism
1 : the assumption that psychocultural traits and capacities are determined by biological race and that races differ decisively from one another which is usually coupled with a belief in the inherent superiority of a particular race and its right to domination over others
2 a : a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles b : a political or social system founded on racism
3 : RACIALISM 1

The racist mongering people on the left fit the following modified definition of racism 1: the assumption that psychocultural traits and capacities are determined by biological race or their political principles and preferences and that races differ decisively from one another which is usually coupled with a belief in the inherent superiority of a particular race and its right to domination over others.

plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 07:37 pm
@mysteryman,
What I am claiming is that the left has always begun, organized and promoted anti-racist measures of all kinds from protests to policies. Abolitionism. Freedom Summer. The Birmingham Bus Boycott. Liberals were not justices of the peace in southern states, sentencing black men to hard labor.

BTW, the only reason Eisenhower promoted the integration of schools following Brown v The Board of Education at Topeka was because the world looked down upon the United States.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 07:37 pm
@mysteryman,
Putting words on my page again.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 08:05 pm
@ican711nm,
From TPMCafe:

To deny that there are racist elements in the Tea Party seems to be a pretty fruitless Republican exercise. So on the Sunday talk shows all the Repubs were on the defensive. But Matt Bai has a much more interesting take. Racism is basically an old people's disease. It will eventually die off in America.

From Andy Ostroy:

Contrary to how the movement is portrayed as a non-partisan, multicultural, age/gender-diverse "big tent," most Tea Baggers are wealthy, white Republican males over 45, according to the poll. The poll chillingly illustrates what's really at the core of the movement: intense frustration, anger and resentment over the belief that a black president is giving taxpayer handouts to other blacks. In fact, 25% believe the Obama administration favors blacks over whites. As the Times reports, they believe that "too much has been made of the problems facing black people."

There's no denying the level of ignorance that permeates the Tea Party movement or the rampant racism in which it's rooted. Here's a classic example of Tea Bagger "populist rage:" "I just feel he's getting away from what America is," said Kathy Mayhugh, 67, of Jacksonville, Fl. "He's a socialist. And to tell you the truth, I think he's a Muslim and trying to head us in that direction, I don't care what he says. He's been in office over a year and can't find a church to go to. That doesn't say much for him."

From Dean Walker:

My T.P. friend earnestly believed that I was using “hate speech” when used the term "teabagger," but that there is nothing wrong in using pejoratives when referring to the left. I once again pointed to the widespread racism found at T.P. gatherings and he dismissed my examples as the work of “just a few loons,” which he claims can be found in every movement.

While I agree every nationwide movement is bound to have a “few loons,” recent polling data on T.P. members show racism is represented in a solid majority and is proving to be a systemic problem within the movement. Over the last month, I have visited dozens of Tea Party websites, YouTube videos of rallies, read speeches and articles from T.P. supporters, and researched academic reports that have been released on T.P. ideology, racism and their connections to militant extremists. And while the T.P. movement is just over a year old, there is a growing mountain of data which allows us to draw some early conclusions. One conclusion that is becoming increasingly clear is that the Tea Party has a problem with racism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQOwkDJMyZ8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38VioxnBaI

From DiversityInc:

By the Editors of DiversityInc - Apr 12, 2010

As the Tea Party movement has gained momentum over recent months, researchers at the University of Washington (UW) wanted to know: Who are the supporters and what are their beliefs?

Between February and March, UW researchers conducted a phone survey of 1,015 residents living in the 2008 presidential-election battleground states (Nevada, Michigan, Missouri, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia and California). Among the respondents, 494 were white, 380 were Black, 77 were Latino and 64 represented people of other races/ethnicities. Here are details of the study, entitled "2010 Multi-state Survey of Race and Politics":

Thirty percent of all respondents had never heard of the Tea Party. But among those who had, one-third (32 percent) strongly approved of it. In that group, 56 percent of Republicans strongly approved, 31 percent of independents strongly approved and 5 percent of Democrats strongly approved.

Among white respondents, southerners are 12 percent more likely to support the Tea Party than whites in other parts of the United States.
Those who self-identify as conservative are 28 percent more likely than liberals to support the Tea Party.

Respondents who believe the U.S. government has done too much to support Blacks are 36 percent more likely to support the Tea Party than those who are not.

"The tea party is not just about politics and size of government. The data suggests it may also be about race," said Christopher Parker, a UW assistant professor of political science who led the study, in a press release.

Survey takers who strongly support the Tea Party movement had a 45 percent decline in support for healthcare reform, compared with those who oppose the Tea Party.

"While it's clear that the tea party in one sense is about limited government, it's also clear from the data that people who want limited government don't want certain services for certain kinds of people. Those services include healthcare," Parker said.

Among whites who approved of the Tea Party, 35 percent said they believe Blacks to be hard working; 45 percent said they believe Blacks are intelligent; 41 percent said they believe Blacks are trustworthy.

Whites who disapprove of President Barack Obama were 55 percent more likely to support the Tea Party than those who say they approve of him.

The Washington Institute for the Study of Ethnicity, Race and Sexuality and the UW Department of Political Science paid for the survey. It was conducted by the UW's Center for Survey Research.


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georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 21 Jul, 2010 08:06 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

BTW, the only reason Eisenhower promoted the integration of schools following Brown v The Board of Education at Topeka was because the world looked down upon the United States.

How the hell do you claim to know that !!!
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 04:02 am
@plainoldme,
OH really?????

I asked you if there was any racism in the left, and you said...

Quote:
That only exists in the twisted imagination of the right


So, judging by that, you are saying that racism does not exist on the left and that there are no racist elements anywhere on the left.
xris
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 05:20 am
@mysteryman,
So are you saying it has been historically misrepresented that racism is a right wing trait? If you can show me an example of left wing racism, do so.
xris
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 05:22 am
@georgeob1,
So the world looked up to America and its apartheid culture?
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xris
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jul, 2010 05:23 am
@ican711nm,
What the hell are on about?
 

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