AMERICAN CONSERVATISM IN 2008 AND BEYOND

Let me ask you Fox, Do you see conservatism as a moderate viewpoint or a far right one?

I find it interesting that you take ican's word for the meaning of the constituiton vs someone that actually has taught the meaning and studied the law.

It really says something about conservatives if this is your standard practice of ignoring those that know what it is and resorting to some BS about what it should be. You are nothing better than a tax protesting militia movement if that is your take on the constitution.

What I actually wanted to do, fox, was to give you some tools and encouragement in order that you might be able to reflect and begin to rebuild what has gone so terribly wrong and ugly in your movement and country.

But to have you place Limbaugh as exemplar of 'conservatism' and Frum (or Powell or the others) as deviants from conservatism's traditions and proper future is so far over the edge that I cannot imagine why I would engage you here.

This is what the Republican Party has done to us this year: It has placed within reach of the Oval Office a woman who is a religious fanatic and a proud, boastful ignoramus. Those who despise science and learning are not anti-elitist. They are morally and intellectually slothful people who are secretly envious of the educated and the cultured. And those who prate of spiritual warfare and demons are not just "people of faith" but theocratic bullies. On Nov. 4, anyone who cares for the Constitution has a clear duty to repudiate this wickedness and stupidity.

There was a feeling of euphoria in Britain that morning, a feeling of freshness and change. Even people who hadn't voted for Blair were caught up in it. Many of them wished that they had, and his poll rating soared. Much of the good feeling about new Labour was generated in the months after their landslide, oddly, rather than in the months before it.

And here's the lesson for Tories. The hardest thing to absorb was this - we didn't matter.

For the first time in years the story wasn't about us, and our squabbles and intrigues seemed oddly silly and pointless. And we, especially those of us who had worked on the losing campaign, felt excluded from a great national party. It was a little bit like sitting in the gloomy train Woody Allen films in Stardust Memories, while in the happy train everyone is popping champagne corks.

The first step towards recovery for the Conservative party was to stop thinking that we were the centre of the universe and that what we thought mattered more than what others thought.

The Republicans are about to go through a period of self absorption and will think it is all that matters. They will only recover when they start to understand that no one is watching and that no one, except them, cares.

That realisation will be more painful than the battles themselves.

http://timesonline.typepad.com/comment/2008/10/the-morning-aft.html

And you don't comb through whatever comes up on the internet that you can use to insult or smear somebody you don't like and/or to illustrate your opinion so that you don't actually have to defend your own opinion?

Foxfyre wrote:

And you don't comb through whatever comes up on the internet that you can use to insult or smear somebody you don't like and/or to illustrate your opinion so that you don't actually have to defend your own opinion?

This sounds 99% of the attacks on Obama. Fox, you're in no place to lecture.

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Terrible smears of Obama, such as playing tapes of what he said in recent years. Thats terrible, just terrible, how could they smear the man like that, the nerve to play his own words, that just is not fair.

Look, Free Duck, is there any doubt now that Obama is a socialist / Marxist at heart by now?

Face it, people, the truth is staring you in the face. This is not based upon isolated snippets, quotes here and there. The dots are now becoming connected into a more clear picture, and the picture is pretty plain to see, if you have any eyes to see them.