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roger
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 02:58 pm
It had to happen. I agree with Ramafuchs. We often shorten quotes to the points we want to respond to. It just isn't ethical to actually alter quoted material.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 03:00 pm
No.
Gandhi is not Karl Marx.
But Gandhi is not a capitalist nor a barbaric war monger.
Karl Marx is a communist jew and not an editotor of NYT, WP, IHT.
As a person born in India i am infatuated with Gandhi.
And as a person who had selected Germany I uphold Karl Marx.
a sort of Indo Germanic admixture.
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 03:00 pm
It is ethical if you so designate! If you leave as a joke and not designate, that too is okay. To change and say use that as a direct quote, yes unethical. But, so be ethics. I believe you lie to go to war, you get strung up the next day with all your supporters - go figure. If you do lie to start a war, one protection ~ you better be right.
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 03:18 pm
Ram, ou are talking in that statement pure Marxian and pure Gandhian, which has ring of truth. Am I wrong in believing that Marx was not a communist. This was a term created by the Stalinists?

Pure Gandhi plus pure Marx would equal power to the people.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 03:32 pm
I agree.
populist pro and anti are false.
Let purity prevail .
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 10:01 pm
Well, populist is good. It is of and for the people.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 22 Mar, 2008 08:39 pm
The shameful experiences of Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay, and extraordinary renditions have placed Bush-era America next to the Nazi Gestapo, Soviet gulags, and Khmer Rouge as the worst torturers of the last hundred years.

http://salsa.wiredforchange.com/o/1493/t/2765/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=2104
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2008 01:25 pm
The good thing about the USA is we can have new leaders every 4 years and will have every 8.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2008 03:09 pm
To pick up a resident of White house to ruin the image of USA is an expensensive joke.
Nothing to do with democracy.
My views are always faulty for which I have no regrets.
Regards.
Rama
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 29 Mar, 2008 02:30 pm
USA is the best olympic waterboarding champion around the globe
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 3 Apr, 2008 07:22 pm
If waterboarding is an olympic sport
none cand get any medol other than USA
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2008 06:56 pm
Andrew Sullivan: Bush Administration Officials Will Be 'Indicted For War Crimes'
April 6, 2008 02:14 PM


Media coverage of the disclosure of the "torture memo" authored by Bush Justice Department official John C. Yoo has been mostly a deafening silence. But on this morning's Chris Matthews' show, someone finally fired a shot. As we mentioned in this morning's liveblog, credit goes to The Atlantic's Andrew Sullivan, for taking the opportunity to ensure that this matter got out into the televised discourse somehow.

SULLIVAN: The latest revelations on the torture front show the memo from John Yoo...means that Don Rumsfeld, David Addington and John Yoo should not leave the United States any time soon. They will be, at some point, indicted for war crimes.
[WATCH.]
link
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2008 06:59 pm
Blueflame
"Andrew Sullivan is not a communist nor a Gandhi .
He expose the hypocracy of the system.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2008 07:05 pm
Quote:
The Convention Against Torture prohibits practices that constitute the intentional infliction of "severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental." The federal torture statute, 18 U.S.C. ยง 2340A, similarly prohibits acts outside the United States that are specifically intended to cause "severe physical or mental pain or suffering."

Waterboarding is torture. It causes severe physical suffering in the form of reflexive choking, gagging, and the feeling of suffocation. It may cause severe pain in some cases. If uninterrupted, waterboarding will cause death by suffocation. It is also foreseeable that waterboarding, by producing an experience of drowning, will cause severe mental pain and suffering. The technique is a form of mock execution by suffocation with water. The process incapacitates the victim from drawing breath, and causes panic, distress, and terror of imminent death. Many victims of waterboarding suffer prolonged mental harm for years and even decades afterward.


Signed by a who's who of law professors
http://www.hrw.org/english/docs/2006/04/06/usdom13130.htm
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2008 07:09 pm
Rama, right. Nothing liberal about the guy. He's a conservative.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sun 6 Apr, 2008 07:13 pm
I had seen a picture in German TV.
One American lady( forget about Hollywood, ladies) had exposed American hypocracy in Bagdad.( Torture= non-human Pure and un adulterated)
I will never forget this barbaric period

I have lost my partents but my three sisters and my wife are sane and decent.
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2008 06:15 am
Sources: Top Bush Advisors Approved 'Enhanced Interrogation'
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But this is the first time sources have disclosed that a handful of the most senior advisers in the White House explicitly approved the details of the program. According to multiple sources, it was members of the Principals Committee that not only discussed specific plans and specific interrogation methods, but approved them.


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According to a top official, Ashcroft asked aloud after one meeting: "Why are we talking about this in the White House? History will not judge this kindly."


Waterboarding is torture

Quote:
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2008 05:02 pm
Chinese communism is not
comparable to criminal, conservative corporatism.
Waterboarding is American culture.
This is my view( i expect a decent American to repudiate my views)
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 10 Apr, 2008 09:51 pm
The Pot should not call the kettle Black

here is one more cut and pase to expose hypocracy.


"Between 2002 and 2003, the Justice Department issued several memos from its Office of Legal Counsel that justified using the interrogation tactics, including ones that critics call torture.

"If you looked at the timing of the meetings and the memos you'd see a correlation," the former intelligence official said. Those who attended the dozens of meetings agreed that "there'd need to be a legal opinion on the legality of these tactics" before using them on al-Qaida detainees, the former official said.

The meetings were held in the White House Situation Room in the years immediately following the Sept. 11 attacks. Attending the sessions were then-Bush aides Attorney General John Ashcroft, Secretary of State Colin Powell, CIA Director George Tenet and national security adviser Condoleezza Rice.

The White House, Justice and State departments and the CIA refused comment Thursday, as did a spokesman for Tenet. A message for Ashcroft was not immediately returned.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., lambasted what he described as "yet another astonishing disclosure about the Bush administration and its use of torture."

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=2008-04-10_D8VVB2980&show_article=1&cat=breaking
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 12 Apr, 2008 06:43 pm
Some pathetic Americans cannot understand the ordeal of the
olmypic sport.
And that sport is waterboarding.
Ask any FBI, CIA ,
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