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French pronuctionation

 
 
Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 02:40 pm
Why is it so hard? Probably my books fault, doesn't do a very good job of explaining when to drop vowels and such
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George
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 02:45 pm
I also find it difficult to pronunctionate.
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 02:47 pm
blindeside wrote:
French pronuctionation


French spelling is even harder..
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 02:51 pm
George wrote:
I also find it difficult to pronunctionate.


Only when you have to punctuate it..

Or to actionate the punctuatation..
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George
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 02:54 pm
Francis, would you say that French pronunciation (I'll stop being a wiseass)
is consistent, once you apply the rules?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 02:54 pm
Francis wrote:

French spelling is even harder..


I like «la cacographie» best when it is called "typos" by others. :wink:
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 03:00 pm
George wrote:
Francis, would you say that French pronunciation (I'll stop being a wiseass)
is consistent, once you apply the rules?


Obviusly, George.

French pronunciation is pretty consistent in 98% of the cases.

There's some exceptions to the rules, as in every language...
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 03:03 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
Francis wrote:

French spelling is even harder..


I like «la cacographie» best when it is called "typos" by others. :wink:


Yes, Walter, typos are much nicer than simple mispellings.
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blindsided
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jan, 2008 04:04 pm
Do you always drop the t and s when they are the last letter? example:

Ce ne sont pas= cu nu son pa


bleh
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Francis
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 01:33 am
No, not always.

You drop the t and the s only if the first letter of the next word is a consonant:

Cent pas = Sampa


You pronounce it if it is a vowel:

Cent ans = Santan (or whatever)..


These are the rules. Now, you have some exceptions here and there...
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 01:41 am
"Un jambon", bzw, is a good example to pronounce all three nasal vowel sounds :wink:
(As well as I remember that my old Frech teacher always told us that you should be able to say "Paris" holding a candle in front of your mouth without blowing it out.)
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Francis
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 01:51 am
Good one, Walter!

You shouldn't blow out the candles (in the mass) because,

Paris vaut bien une messe.
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George
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 07:41 am
My only French pronunciation joke:
Why do they have only one egg for breakfast in Paris?
Because one egg is une oeuf.




Tiddy-boom.
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Francis
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 08:07 am
Not bad, George.
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Chai
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 09:43 am
Francis

When you encounter a new word in conversation, and want to write it down, how are you sure of the spelling if the s or the t had been dropped when speaking?

When writing something in Spanish, I feel confident I'm spelling words correctly, as it's so phonetic.

French does not seem so to me, or am I looking at it the wrong way? For instance, I wouldn't say English is very phonetic.
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Francis
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 09:54 am
To me, if you are are able to spot a new word in a conversation, it means that you know the rules of pronunciation already.

So you pay attention if the next word begins with a consonant or a vowel and then you are able to infer how it ends.

As I said, it's not 100% sure, as there are exceptions.

But, knowing Spanish, I wouldn't say it's more phonetic than French.

As for English, I still have trouble between words with i and ee, which seems elementary to you..

(I can hardly spot the difference between the words in bold).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jan, 2008 11:11 am
I think that's the same question with any language which isn't your mother tongue (and, quite funny, though I got worse marks In French than in English, those phonetical rules seemed to be easier to me in French than in English).
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