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Reply Sun 24 Aug, 2003 10:08 pm
If criminals are willing to ignore the laws against ROBBERY;
if criminals are willing to disregard the laws against MURDER,
HOW can we convince them to OBEY "gun control" laws?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 24 Aug, 2003 10:24 pm
Getting them to obey it isn't as much the issue as is taking the weapons out of circulation gradually.

The old adage about if guns are made criminal only criminals will have guns is only true for the short term. In the long run the law will divest them of their guns if properly enforced.

One has but to look at nations with the strictest gun laws, their criminals do not run roughshod over the populace and the gun laws are successful in disarming them.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 24 Aug, 2003 10:39 pm
Craven, is there a reason they can't get them from blackmarket gunsmiths ?
Has prohibition EVER worked in America ?

Guns were not new to Columbus nor to his grandfather. They are simple machines, easily made. (The M-1 Carbine was invented by a prisoner,
in prison, for moonshining; convicts have secretly made pistols [including fully functional submachineguns] in prison workshops.)
The accumulated knowledge of the gunsmith is not secret; it is among the world's freely available engineering data.
If criminals had no guns, they'd arm themselves using that information and access to the hardware stores of America; thus the FUTILITY of "gun control" philosophy:the disarmament of criminals is absolutely IMPOSSIBLE. REMOVAL from America of violently felonious recidivists can reduce misconduct.
Crime comes from bad people, not tools.
Should umbrellas be blamed for rain?
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Sun 24 Aug, 2003 10:44 pm
We have never prohibited guns for enough time to tell if it'd work or not here. As to the blackmarket it exists in other nations that have successfully curbed the gun trafficking so I'd say that a successful gun campaign as evidenced by the ability of other nations to wage it indicates that it's possible.

No, umbrellas shouldn't be blamed for rain. As should poor analogies not be used.

Umbrellas to rain is not what guns to firearm violence is.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2003 01:54 am
Umbrellas r to protect their owners from rain.
Umbrellas do not cause rain.


Guns r to protect their owners from the depredations of criminals or animals.
Guns do not cause depredations from criminals nor animals.

Do u like my analogy better, now ?


A person who wud not arm himself with a good n competent weapon,
is a person who is INDIFFERENT to personal survival n survival of his family.
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owi
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2003 02:49 am
omsigdavid, I don't know where you live but where i live it's the job of the police to protect me. Up to now this has worked quite well. Nobody has ever shot at me or a family member.

btw. you don't really believe that all the criminals will build their own guns if they cannot buy them legally?
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Jim
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2003 03:15 am
Just like nobody had alcohol during prohibition because it was illegal?

Just like nobody has drugs today because they're illegal?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2003 05:38 am
craven "if guns are made criminal only criminals will have guns"
dyslexia "if guns are made criminal only the government will have guns"
i am both a gun owner and an advocate of gun control.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2003 06:07 am
I advocate strict gun control. In the advent of a revolution, I don't want dangerous people like omsigdavid armed.
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eoe
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2003 08:41 am
Chris Rock suggested that guns remain on the market but bullets cost 5000.00. Interesting concept, I thought.
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Craven de Kere
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2003 09:14 am
dyslexia wrote:
craven "if guns are made criminal only criminals will have guns"
dyslexia "if guns are made criminal only the government will have guns"
i am both a gun owner and an advocate of gun control.


I like guns. I don't agree with the arguments used against gun control. I'm still not in favor of gun control though.

But really, some of the arguments are really lame.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2003 09:55 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
The M-1 Carbine was invented by a prisoner, in prison, for moonshining


Demonstrably false. The M-1 was designed by John Cantius Garand, a longtime employee of the Springfield Armory (and the reason that the M-1 was often referred to as a "Garand rifle"). To my knowledge, Garand was neither prisoner nor moonshiner.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2003 10:06 am
Owi, the police only acknowledge a general responsibility to protect the public, not any and every individual.
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Dartagnan
 
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Reply Mon 25 Aug, 2003 10:15 am
OmSigDAVID wrote:
Guns r to protect their owners from the depredations of criminals or animals.


Guns are "r" a lot of things. They're also used by kids to shoot their little brothers and sisters, and adults to threaten others and sometimes kill them.

Just a a few other things guns are good for...
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 03:33 am
joefromchicago wrote:
OmSigDAVID wrote:
The M-1 Carbine was invented by a prisoner, in prison, for moonshining


Demonstrably false. The M-1 was designed by John Cantius Garand, a longtime employee of the Springfield Armory (and the reason that the M-1 was often referred to as a "Garand rifle"). To my knowledge, Garand was neither prisoner nor moonshiner.



U r in error.

Obviously, Garand invented the rifle that bears his name.
Everyone knows that.
Garand did NOT invent the M-1 Carbine, which is what I said.
"Carbine" Williams did. (At the moment, I don't remember his real
first name) I said, & u quoted M-1 CARBINE, not full rifle !!!


Demonstration: REFUTED
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 04:10 am
owi wrote:
omsigdavid, I don't know where you live but where i live it's the job of the police to protect me.
Up to now this has worked quite well.
Nobody has ever shot at me or a family member.

btw. you don't really believe that all the criminals will build their own guns if they cannot buy them legally?


1. Tell me where u live so I can move to a place that has no crime
because its "the job" of police to protect u quite well. I accept your
implication that they DO their job, thereby avoiding all crime.
(Presumably, its also their job to protect your fellow citizens.)

2. Well, they shot at me.

3. <<btw. you don't really believe
that all the criminals will build their own guns if they cannot buy them legally?>>

Y wud they NOT ?? They even do it secretly, IN PRISON.

Even to a fully operational submachinegun,
one part at a time, with the guards around.

The accumulated knowledge of the gunsmith is not secret;
it is among the world's freely available engineering data.

Crime comes from bad people, not their tools.

The repressionists want to remove guns, saying they are sometimes used to facilitate crime.
They fail to understand that the actual weapon is the HUMAN MIND, whose cleverness has not
been controlled nor restrained (even in prison).
This mind expresses itself perseveringly, into the manifestation of its felt needs or desires,
and it has FOREVER to do the job that it selects (e.g., the art of the gunsmith/merchant). Prohibition is FUTILE.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 05:19 am
Apparently, gangs up here rent guns now, for $250 an hour. Then, if you can't pay, they shoot you.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 27 Aug, 2003 07:03 am
Good thing u can shoot back.
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