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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 01:12 pm
Just like in the music industry, first impressions and stereotype images are very difficult to reverse no matter how false they may be.

Those early anonymous emails about Obama's name are having an effect on people's opinion of Obama. Unfortunately, they were the first impressions people got of him before getting to know anything about him.

Not a lot we can do about it other than provide the sources for people to find out for themselves if they are interested in doing so.

Aggressively pushing it on people will only make them stubbornly dig their toes deeper in place.
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 01:30 pm
Butrflynet wrote:
Those early anonymous emails about Obama's name are having an effect on people's opinion of Obama. Unfortunately, they were the first impressions people got of him before getting to know anything about him.


I'm curious as to how you arrive at this claim. The most recent slams of sleaze upon Obama have been Hillary's remarks concerning his association with Rezko, his 'present' votes, and his praise of Republicans, to name a few.

Do you have a link or other information showing it was emails about his name affecting opinion and not the stuff coming from the Clintons?
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rabel22
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 02:29 pm
How about the fact that he is a carpetbagger brought into Illinois by the chicago Daley machine which is one of the crookesest political machines in the U.S.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 02:31 pm
rabel22 wrote:
How about the fact that he is a carpetbagger brought into Illinois by the chicago Daley machine which is one of the crookesest political machines in the U.S.


Carpetbagger? From wikipedia:

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After high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles, where he studied at Occidental College for two years.[21] He then transferred to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations.[22] Obama received his B.A. degree in 1983, then worked at Business International Corporation and NYPIRG before moving to Chicago to take a job as a community organizer.[23] As Director of the Developing Communities Project, he worked with low-income residents in Chicago's Roseland community and the Altgeld Gardens public housing development.[24] He entered Harvard Law School in 1988.[25] In 1990, The New York Times reported his election as the Harvard Law Review's "first black president in its 104-year history".[26] He completed his J.D. degree magna cum laude in 1991.[27] On returning to Chicago, Obama directed a voter registration drive.[27] As an associate attorney with Miner, Barnhill & Galland from 1993 to 1996, he represented community organizers, discrimination claims, and voting rights cases.[28] He was a lecturer of constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School from 1993 until his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004.[29]


Yeah, not so much, plz do a little research.

Cycloptichorn
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 02:39 pm
nappyheadedhohoho wrote:

I'm curious as to how you arrive at this claim. The most recent slams of sleaze upon Obama have been Hillary's remarks concerning his association with Rezko, his 'present' votes, and his praise of Republicans, to name a few.

Do you have a link or other information showing it was emails about his name affecting opinion and not the stuff coming from the Clintons?


It doesn't take much effort to find it. Just read some of the many comments people leave on blogs and news articles that mention Obama.

Here's one with an article from yesterday...skim down the comments...

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/01/25/rescue-from-recession-obama-responds/

Some examples:

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over40livinlife7:12PMJan 24th 2008

I have a question about Obama...and since this is a new thread ...maybe someone with knowledge can tell the answer....
Is it true ?? that since he was a male born to a muslim man ....that ...that makes him BORN MUSLIM
under Muslim Law ???? And if that is true ...and since he has converted to the church of christ ...doesn't that under Islamic Law ...make him ...like the worst kind of human ...and by doing so it is punishable by death ????
and then if he is under a death sentance based on Islamic law .. Just how does he deal with leaders in the MIDDLE EAST .?????
JUST A THOUGHT !!!!!


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sam7:44PMJan 24th 2008

obana waas born a muslim , raised a muslim, is still a muslim & will always be a muslim. vote for the muslim & help him bring america down! wake up! you dumb asses


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HH8:21PMJan 24th 2008

Overfortylivinlife
What you said is the general course for a muslim that gave up islam for Christianity. And you are thinking.
Take it a little further and ask yourself if Obama seems worried about that.
His christian church gave Louis Farrakhan an award for Empowe rment. He is the leader of the Nation of Islam. www.noi.com.
This just does not make sense to me.
Also, an American President should not call his Motherland Africa or any other country than USA. I don't think we're going to get some real answers so we just need to do the all we can to keep alert because the red flags are there if we don't ignore them.


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DON8:24PMJan 24th 2008

WHY IS THIS CLOSET musilum GETTING SO MUCH AIRTIME. THERE IS NOTHING HE CAN SAY TO MAKE ME BELEIVE OTHER WISE.I TRUST NO ONE THAT HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH OPRAH AND AL SHARPTON.!!!!! HECK THOSE TWO WILL BE IN LINE FOR A CABINET POSTION AT THE WHITE HOUSE. NOW THAT WILL MESSED UP!!!!!!!


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HH8:27PMJan 24th 2008

Beckers:
Would you agree that Louis Farrakhan received an award for Empowerment from Obama's church of 20 years?
Louis Farrakhan is a muslim and the leader of Nation of islam.
Would you agree that Obama's church claims Africa as their Motherland?
Obama nor his followers are going to say what we don't want to hear. We just have to stay alert for red flags, because they are there.


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over40livinlife8:27PMJan 24th 2008

HH ..... It scares me no one has said this ...its not what he thinks or feels ... its what Muslim radicals think !!!!!!!


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HH8:45PMJan 24th 2008

mcgertylee: What you have said is one of those red flags!!!! We really have to check Obama out. And most importantly don't put your head in the sand when you read them or see them


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Believer9:31PMJan 24th 2008

After reading it twice, I find Barak Hussein Obama's response to the Hot Seat question rich in rhetorics and poetry but deficient in substance, clarity, affirmance, definitivenes and factuality. No wonder some say he evades / skirts issues, blame others, and equivocates.

Re his faith, if he claims he is a Christian now for 20 yrs, what was he for 26 yrs prior? If, per its website, the church he attends pledges allegiance to Afric, not USA, and supports Louis Farrakhan who wants anyone who refuses to convert to Islam shot, what does Obama say to this? No oratory, please!

When he was sworn into office, was the Muslim Koran used? If so, then Obama is telling the truth that he swore by the "bible" because the Koran is the "bible" of the Muslims.

If elected POTUS, God forbid, I wonder too how Barak Hussein Obama will relate to his "brothers" especially in the Middle East and Africa.

Isn't this scary, "troubling" if you will?


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WBC9:52PMJan 24th 2008

If this really islama obama answer this:
1.Why do you claim to be afro american when your daddy was only african?
2. why do you hide the fact that you support islam?
3. why do you belong to a racist church?
3. why should americans give to the illegal immagrants when these people have done nothing for the USA?
4. why can you not answer a question without blinking? shows that you are lying.
5. why do you not claim the other side of your family (the white side ) is it because you want to play the race card and acuse everyone else that they are the ones playing the race card?
6. and hell yes your running against hillary and bill.
7. why are you so interted in helping the black people when they have all they can get if they would get up off their lazy asses and go to work....oh yea the f*cking mexicans have taken their jobs who you want to give ammunity to these people!
8. since you are playing the race card why have you not called the NAACP on bill..you sure as hell whine and cry enough about the clintons.
9. as every good islam man you should tell your wife to shut up she gives speaches very poorly.
10. why do you sound like MLK jr when you speak...do you not have your own style?

here is 10 questions or comments answer these and I have plenty more.



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richeym59:58PMJan 24th 2008

Why won't obama tell how he feels about all the illegal aliens that are ruining our country. Maybe its because a lot of them are illegal muslims that are here for terrorism.


I'll let you wade through the rest. I'm sick of looking at this stuff.
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 03:36 pm
I wouldn't be too worried about a handful of blog comments on the internet. Many more of the comments had no mention of his Muslim background and even more were about Hillary.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 03:47 pm
rabel22 wrote:
How about the fact that he is a carpetbagger brought into Illinois by the chicago Daley machine which is one of the crookesest political machines in the U.S.
Would you mind posting the email that led you to such a silly conclusion, so we can discredit the rest of it's nonsense as well?
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 03:58 pm
The idea of someone in the Obama/Hillary dispute using the term carpetbagger on Obama strikes me as just too ridiculous. Consider Hillary spending an ungodly amount of money to win NY, where she's clearly not from, and clearly doesn't plan to stay. Hello.
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revel
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 04:00 pm
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The idea of someone in the Obama/Hillary dispute using the term carpetbagger on Obama strikes me as just too ridiculous. Consider Hillary spending an ungodly amount of money to win NY, where she's clearly not from, and clearly doesn't plan to stay. Hello.


point
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 04:02 pm
Maybe rabel22 was thinking of Alan Keyes?
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rabel22
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 06:10 pm
No Rabel was thinking of the Chicago political machine, one of the crookedest in the states, and the help that Obama got from to be elected senator. You don't get help from them without morgageing your career to the machine. As a southern illinoian I think I know more about the crooked politicians in Illinois than most of you. Most of the illinois politicians who are in or on their way to jail are from the Chicago part of the state. So why don't all you genuses do some checking on facts yourselves. I have been living them for 72 years in this state and unable to do anything about it because the southern part of the state has a minority of the population.
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 06:23 pm
rabel22 wrote:
No Rabel was thinking of the Chicago political machine, one of the crookedest in the states, and the help that Obama got from to be elected senator. You don't get help from them without morgageing your career to the machine. As a southern illinoian I think I know more about the crooked politicians in Illinois than most of you. Most of the illinois politicians who are in or on their way to jail are from the Chicago part of the state. So why don't all you genuses do some checking on facts yourselves. I have been living them for 72 years in this state and unable to do anything about it because the southern part of the state has a minority of the population.
Yes, yes... Illinois is crooked. One can't help but notice that the moment he crosses the border and is fleeced for driving on the demented moonscape you call highways. But what specifically do you know to indict Obama? Surely you have more evidence than you think so and you live there?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 07:28 pm
rabel22 wrote:
No Rabel was thinking of the Chicago political machine, one of the crookedest in the states, and the help that Obama got from to be elected senator. You don't get help from them without morgageing your career to the machine. As a southern illinoian I think I know more about the crooked politicians in Illinois than most of you. Most of the illinois politicians who are in or on their way to jail are from the Chicago part of the state. So why don't all you genuses do some checking on facts yourselves. I have been living them for 72 years in this state and unable to do anything about it because the southern part of the state has a minority of the population.


It's not your opinion of Illinois politics that is a problem, it's the fact that 'carpetbagger' doesn't mean what you seem to think it means.

From Wikipedia:

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The term carpetbaggers was used to describe white Republicans in the South who had allegedly arrived with all of their worldly possessions stuffed into a carpetbag, ready to loot and plunder the defeated South. [1] Although the term is still an insult in common usage, in histories and reference works it is now used without derogatory intent. Since 1900 the term has also been used to describe outsiders attempting to gain political office or economic advantage, especially in areas (thematically or geographically) to which they previously had no connection.


Obama had experience in Chicago and lived there for quite some time before he was elected to the Senate. Actually, it was Alan Keyes - running against Obama - who had practically no experience whatsoever in Illinois who was the carpetbagger when he was elected.

And it's extremely arguable that Hillary Clinton, with her NY Senator win, was carpetbagging to a gigantic degree. If not for the fact that she was Bill's wife, she never would have won NY as she had practically no ties there and had lived there for what, a year, when she was elected?

I have no problem with your opinion of Chicago politics, but it's farcical to call Obama a carpetbagger when he clearly is not.

Cycloptichorn
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 08:32 pm
Quote:
Daley Machine Backs Obama

Thursday, October 11, 2007 8:36 PM

By: Jim Davis and Tom Squitieri Article Font Size


Excerpt:

Sen. Barack Obama's relationship with Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley illustrates how he has carefully joined hands with Chicago's power wielders.

The Daley political machine in Chicago has thrown its support behind presidential candidate Barack Obama, forging an alliance that could make him the next president.

Although the machine supported Obama's rivals early in his political career, viewing him as an outsider, Obama's success on the national stage has changed all that.

"It's a simple political calculus," Jay Stewart, executive director of the Chicago-based watchdog group Better Government Association, tells NewsMax. "Here is a popular guy with a reasonable shot at winning, from the same party. It's good for Illinois if he wins. So the machine [and] the mayor [are] backing Obama."

Stewart adds that Obama has cultivated a "peaceful coexistence" with the Daley machine, without becoming one of its operatives.

So who controls Obama? And to whom might he be beholden?

Obama's charisma and savvy have given him more flexibility in dealing with the realities of getting elected, sources tell NewsMax.

His charm has elicited geysers of support from smitten voters. The conventional wisdom holds that Obama's political fortunes aren't dependent on ward bosses, meaning that the senator can distance himself from the political corruption for which the city is infamous.

"There is no back-room cabal that engineered the Obama candidacy," says Stewart. "He has been swept along by his own personal popularity, and clearly his campaign has been driven simply by his own personal appeal to many. The old rules don't apply to this guy."



Read more here: http://www.newsmax.com/politics/obama_daley_chicago_elect/2007/10/11/40228.html
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rabel22
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 11:02 pm
All I have to know is that the Daley machine backs him. In my mind its guilt by association. He was involved in some business deals in chicago with some crooks that are being investigated. The one I would like to see get the nomination is Edwards but thats not going to happen. My second choice is Clinton. If Obama gets it I will not vote Democrat. If you people want another Bush in office then by all means back Obama, i am sure he will screw up the government with his change B.S. just as Bush did with his change in government. To me he sounds just like Bush and Reagan.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 25 Jan, 2008 11:13 pm
rabel22 wrote:
... In my mind its guilt by association. ...


And there you go. Can't argue with that logic.
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nimh
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 02:20 am
rabel22 wrote:
All I have to know is that the Daley machine backs him. In my mind its guilt by association.

Whats any of that got to do with him supposedly being a carpetbagger?
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Sat 26 Jan, 2008 07:27 am
rabel22 wrote:
No Rabel was thinking of the Chicago political machine, one of the crookedest in the states, and the help that Obama got from to be elected senator. You don't get help from them without morgageing your career to the machine. As a southern illinoian I think I know more about the crooked politicians in Illinois than most of you. Most of the illinois politicians who are in or on their way to jail are from the Chicago part of the state. So why don't all you genuses do some checking on facts yourselves. I have been living them for 72 years in this state and unable to do anything about it because the southern part of the state has a minority of the population.

You forgot to add: "And you damn kids get off my lawn!!"

Really, this is just silly. As others have pointed out, Obama was initially opposed by the Daley organization (to call it a "machine" would be far too generous), both when Obama ran for the Illinois senate and then when he ran for the US senate (Daley backed Dan Hynes in the 2004 Democratic primary -- Hynes is now the state comptroller and is backing Obama for the presidency, no doubt because he wants to be appointed to Obama's senate seat). Daley only backed Obama after he'd been elected, following the age-old political maxim "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."

As for all the corrupt Illinois politicians coming from Chicago, rabel ignores the rich and colorful history of those downstate scoundrels and rascals who have darkened the pages of Illinois history. Paul Powell, of shoebox fame, was from downstate Vienna (pronounced vi-EN-uh by the local rubeoisie). Former governor George Ryan is from Kankakee, although he currently resides in the federal prison in Oxford, Wisconsin. And we can't forget retiring congressman Jerry Weller of Morris, whose crooked land deals in Nicaragua and his association with Jack Abramoff have earned him the reputation as one of the most corrupt politicians in congress today. He will be missed.
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