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Let's get behind this Huckabee fellow...

 
 
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 21 Jan, 2008 08:21 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Your disagreement with my support of him aside, do you think Reagan was "capable of running a country"?


Yes and no, Tico.
He certainly did not have any experience or political background, and
I think the people behind Reagan were running the country.
Yet, he was very well liked by Americans, and his charme did get him
quite far. McCain doesn't have charme.


When elected, Reagan had more political experience than any of the top 3 Democratic candidates do right now. And McCain CERTAINLY has the experience and political background. McCain does have charm, but he can also be firm ... the same as Reagan.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2008 05:55 am
Only if you define firm as pig-headed.

Reagan's other legacy, besides the ones quoted above by CJ, is that cutting taxes is the answer for everything and cutting taxes for the rich is even better. You just cut taxes, even as deficits soar astronomically and the economy sinks, your richest base will be okay. That's what important. That's a lesson learned and followed to the letter by your boy, George W. Bush, even while spending a trillion dollars on his war.

And don't forget Ronnie's other friend, deregulation. Is anyone else having deja vu? Do the words Savings and Loan Scandal ring any bells?
Billions of dollars stolen from middle and lower income people which disappeared into the ski lodges and oceanside homes of people like Neil Bush. Are people going to lose everything in the latest sub-prime debacle? Not to worry as long as the really wealthy are okay, the rest of us can pound sand.

But back to John McCain, whose one real chance for the WH was stolen by your boy, George W. Bush, in South Carolina (his first stolen election, but not the last). McCain would probably do as well as Reagan running the country until, like the Gipper, his dotage started having it's effects. At the end, his plaid-shirtedness had to be reminded what day it was.

McCain's biggest problem is that he is a Senator.

I'm joking, but Americans do not elect Senators to be their President. Quick, name the last one....... . *

They like to elect Governors and former Vice-Presidents.

That's why Huckabee has a real shot.

Joe(Holy Cow.)Nation

*John F. Kennedy 1961
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2008 08:35 am
You mean that election that Al Gore tried to steal by changing his mind after conceding?

Just imagine what a mess we'd be in if that a**hole was president. You'd have to buy carbon offset credits (from him) to flush your poo.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2008 02:13 pm
I try to give the benefit of the doubt to people, but when anyone tries to claim Bush 43 "stole" any elections, they are quickly categorized into the "wacko" category.

McCain lost to Bush in 2000, and I was a McCain supporter at the time. But I didn't whine or become unhinged and claim Bush stole the election.

Get a grip.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2008 02:17 pm
Joe Nation wrote:

McCain's biggest problem is that he is a Senator.

I'm joking, but Americans do not elect Senators to be their President. Quick, name the last one....... . *

They like to elect Governors and former Vice-Presidents.

That's why Huckabee has a real shot.

Joe(Holy Cow.)Nation

*John F. Kennedy 1961


Bad news for Senators Clinton, Obama and Edwards
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2008 02:55 pm
Quote:
like the Gipper, his dotage started having it's effects. At the end, his plaid-shirtedness had to be reminded what day it was.


Not according to anyone in the WH at the time.
But since you seem to be the expert, what do you have that supports your assertion?
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2008 07:28 pm
Ticomaya wrote:
CalamityJane wrote:
That was a very good recap of the candidates, Joe.
Even a Republican must admit that none of the candidates is even
remotely a consideration for president.


Don't be ridiculous, CJ. McCain is the man.


McCain is the quintessential flip-flopper.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2008 08:06 pm
JTT wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
CalamityJane wrote:
That was a very good recap of the candidates, Joe.
Even a Republican must admit that none of the candidates is even
remotely a consideration for president.


Don't be ridiculous, CJ. McCain is the man.


McCain is the quintessential flip-flopper.


OK - I'll bite...Why do you think this?
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2008 08:11 pm
Joe(gripped up wacko)Nation here absolutely asserting the right of Tico to be in blind denial of the facts. He probably sleeps better than I do, but then it's darker with both hands over your eyes.

Tico, you should call up Richard H. Davis, mention my name if you want to, but leave out the wacko part. Richard (don't call him Dick or Rich) is again the campaign manager for your boy, John McCain. Ask him if he thinks the smear campaign foisted upon the voters of South Carolina by (nudge, nudge, wink, wink) persons unknown didn't cost McCain that primary. Or ask John McCain why it took him ten months to get over his anger at George W. and finally sit at a table with him so that Bush could stammer out an apology for the insults to McCain's family. How were McCain's hinges?

Mysteryman: you might want to recall President Reagan's famous testimony regarding the Iran-Contra Scandal -that's right, the one in which he testified 130 times that he didn't remember or couldn't recall, mostly because he couldn't recall or remember. I tried, but failed to find the video taken of Reagan, at the time only out of office about fourteen months, a shell of his former self. Maybe he was just having a bad day?

I'm pretty sure that crack about him having to be reminded of what day it was came from Sy Hersh, but I couldn't find it in any of the old articles I searched. Sorry, I'll withdraw it and let history speak.

Yeah, Finn, it is bad news for the various Senators running (One less today with Fred Thompson opting out of his role). Senators just don't do it for the American electorate. Just a handful of men, all men, have been both a US Senator and President and hardly any of them moved from the Senate directly to the White House without some other job or downtime intervening. Kennedy was one who made the jump down the Hill. Warren G. Harding did it too, but I can't think of anyone else.

Joe(we sure have a bunch of them trying this year.)Nation
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2008 11:09 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
JTT wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
CalamityJane wrote:
That was a very good recap of the candidates, Joe.
Even a Republican must admit that none of the candidates is even
remotely a consideration for president.


Don't be ridiculous, CJ. McCain is the man.


McCain is the quintessential flip-flopper.


OK - I'll bite...Why do you think this?


You just got a mouthful, Finn. Enjoy.

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Welcome to McCain's flip-flop express

By Dick Polman

The Philadelphia Inquirer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3123102

=================

McCain's flourishing flip-flop list
Posted November 20th, 2006 at 9:00 am

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html

+++=============

Grover Norquist: John McCain Flip-flops Too Much

Republican strategist Grover Norquist is blasting GOP presidential frontrunner John McCain, saying the Arizona maverick is a world-class flip-flopper when it comes to core Republican issues.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/6/11/214905.shtml

************************
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Tue 22 Jan, 2008 11:21 pm
Joe Nation wrote:
Tico, you should call up Richard H. Davis, mention my name if you want to, ...


I'm no name-dropper, Joe. Ricky doesn't like that, anyway.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 03:13 am
That's why he loves you and your kind.

Joe(doesn't have a kind or a dime)Nation
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 09:58 am
Quote:
Mysteryman: you might want to recall President Reagan's famous testimony regarding the Iran-Contra Scandal -that's right, the one in which he testified 130 times that he didn't remember or couldn't recall, mostly because he couldn't recall or remember.


Then why would you want Hillary as President?
After all, during the investigation into the Rose Law firm billing records, she said "I dont know" or "I dont remember" to EVERY question she was asked.
She showed her paranoia when she claimed a "vast right wing conspiracy" was out to get her husband when the Lewinski story broke.

Using the same logic you used in your quote I copied, Hillary cannot serve as President either.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 08:47 pm
JTT wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
JTT wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
CalamityJane wrote:
That was a very good recap of the candidates, Joe.
Even a Republican must admit that none of the candidates is even
remotely a consideration for president.


Don't be ridiculous, CJ. McCain is the man.


McCain is the quintessential flip-flopper.


OK - I'll bite...Why do you think this?


You just got a mouthful, Finn. Enjoy.

===========
Welcome to McCain's flip-flop express

By Dick Polman

The Philadelphia Inquirer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3123102

=================

McCain's flourishing flip-flop list
Posted November 20th, 2006 at 9:00 am

http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/archives/9111.html

+++=============

Grover Norquist: John McCain Flip-flops Too Much

Republican strategist Grover Norquist is blasting GOP presidential frontrunner John McCain, saying the Arizona maverick is a world-class flip-flopper when it comes to core Republican issues.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/6/11/214905.shtml

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Typical unnecessarily antagnostic response from JTT.

I don't agree that all of these instances represent flip-flops, but some certainly do.

Not quite the perfect embodiment of flip flopping either, but he should be careful about calling anyone else a flip flopper.

Or maybe not...
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JTT
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 09:25 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
JTT wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
JTT wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
CalamityJane wrote:
That was a very good recap of the candidates, Joe.
Even a Republican must admit that none of the candidates is even
remotely a consideration for president.


Don't be ridiculous, CJ. McCain is the man.


McCain is the quintessential flip-flopper.


OK - I'll bite...Why do you think this?


You just got a mouthful, Finn. Enjoy.


Typical unnecessarily antagnostic response from JTT.



Finn,

You're much too sensitive. You said, "I'll bite". My response, "You just got a mouthful" was fully intended as a humorous response.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 23 Jan, 2008 10:13 pm
Intelligent people can and do change their views, or modify them over time, or, of course, stick to them as some kind of fundamental. I appreciate thinkers of whatever present views. The trouble comes in when view changing is or appears poll-driven.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 06:00 am
Quote:
Mysteryman: you might want to recall President Reagan's famous testimony regarding the Iran-Contra Scandal -that's right, the one in which he testified 130 times that he didn't remember or couldn't recall, mostly because he couldn't recall or remember.

Quote:
Then why would you want Hillary as President?
After all, during the investigation into the Rose Law firm billing records, she said "I dont know" or "I dont remember" to EVERY question she was asked.
She showed her paranoia when she claimed a "vast right wing conspiracy" was out to get her husband when the Lewinski story broke.

Using the same logic you used in your quote I copied, Hillary cannot serve as President either.


MM, One doesn't connect to the other. I gave Reagan's words as an example of dotage which it was, the poor dope was in a bad state, but besides that, he was testifying in regard to an assault on our Constitution, OUR Constitution, MM. He was testifying in regard to clearly illegal acts made during his Presidency that, had he still been President, might have led to his impeachment. You do remember that, right?

He signed the Presidential Findings but failed to remember doing so? He authorized funding for a covert war that had been specifically, with, I might add, bi-partisan support, de-funded and de-authorized by Act of Congress. This is not exactly akin to forgetting a dental appointment.

And I know you are still hoping for something, anything, to come out of Whitewater, you poor thing, but it's really over. Nearly 100 million dollars of our money, OUR money, MM, was spent to quiet the howls of the rightwing wolves. It's ironic that you would use 'paranoia' because if anyone was paranoid, and a bit manic, during that time, it was the Richard Scaife's moneyed rightwing operatives.. The conspiricy, really more like a movement but that term gives it some dignity, was to find some way, any way, legal or otherwise, to remove Bill Clinton from the White House. They tried to commit a coupe d'etat by scandal mongering and lies. Not exactly the American way, but the rightwing has never claimed any motive except to increase it's power. What Constitution?
They almost succeeded, but not from their own efforts, the hounddog met up with Monica and left the gate open. Idiot. Not you. Bill.

I don't agree with Hillary on a number of things, but if anyone has had her steel tempered, she's the one. Just as John McCain had to learn and be prepared for the lies from the right, I think she is ready for the onslaught of filth and mud to come.

Joe(I just wonder about the rest of us.)Nation
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:04 pm
Apropos McCain: how embarrassing is that - he thought Putin was President
of Germany Shocked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ENwej0fpc
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:12 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
Apropos McCain: how embarrassing is that - he thought Putin was President
of Germany Shocked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ENwej0fpc


Yeah, that's just what he thought.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 24 Jan, 2008 10:43 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
Apropos McCain: how embarrassing is that - he thought Putin was President
of Germany Shocked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5ENwej0fpc


Of course he did.
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