now we are there for honor???...???

the larger question I think is "What are our goals in Iraq" ?

All this taking the fight to them and God and country bullshit has worn oout it's welcome.....

My personal opinion is that there is no our goals... there is their goals..... which is to harvest as much profit and power as possible to a handful....they being the circles within circles of people that george bush and co. is the face of...

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That's it. Those are the goals. Profiteering. As always.

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eoe wrote:

My stepdaughter is in the Army, stationed in Afghanistan at the moment. We as a family do not discuss the war when she's home because the conflict and turmoil on her face just breaks your heart. Most soldiers want to believe in what they're doing, they took an oath and live it with all their hearts but they haven't lost their common sense or the ability to know when they're being scammed and hoodwinked. Especially when it's right in front of their faces.

Exactly. And the "with honor" argument really translates to "keep lying to them (and to ourselves) and lets hope they start to believe it". Cheer the lie, cheer the lie.

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That's just how Bush got into the White house in 2000. A whole lot of smoke and mirrors, bs and lies. Just repeat the lies over and over and wait for the sheep to believe them.