Fresco, I read your references. They did not provide satisfactory answers to any of my questions:
What "censorship committee" refused to read Maturana's material, and why?
If there is no ontic reality, where did the observers come from? (Maturana's theory does not tell us where the autopoiectic system's structures and organization come from in the first place.)
How do they "bring forth" an imaginary world if there is no pre-existing reality? Where did they get the knowledge to create it? Why do so many observers create worlds in which they are unhappy?
How did molecules exist and function before the languaging observers had any concept of them?
How do the observers communicate with each other if there are no actual photons to carry information back and forth? By magic?
If the environment does not actually exist, how can the observer have any potential interactions with it?
Quote:What if the object that is radiating its physical influences into the sensory receptors of the experiencing organism is the outcome of a consensual construction? If we are interested in what happens before any second order consensus has been attained, then we should not presuppose the physical objects, as we perceive them, to be the causal agents of any sensory impressions!
How do fish and other non-languaging animals interact with the world if there is no ontic reality? (according to your first reference, dogs do not perceive sticks as objects since their actions are "a feature of their structural coupling to their respective media." No explanation of why dogs chase quasi-objects which are nothing but consensual figments of our collective imaginations. Of course the dogs and the chasing are merely descriptions by observers and do not actually exist either.)
What is the functional value in claiming that there is no ontic reality, when we have to deal with the world as if it is really there anyway?
Can observers create or change reality simply by agreeing on what is true? Do you know of any instances where this has been documented?
Quote:Eventually we always need other people for the confirmation of our impressions. Solitarily we cannot bring forth objects.
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Though the constitution of objects is not a solitary affair, this does not mean that the mere act of naming an object in a conversation, and agreeing on it, would bring it into existence. Though objects do arise during the recursive coordination of actions, each of the interacting individuals is having his own bodily existence in the first place. And it is in the course of each person's "praxis of living", as Maturana (e.g.
1987a, p. 326) calls it, that new perturbations may pop up that are to be dealt with and compensated.
Suppose that virtually all observers agree that an ontic reality exists. Wouldn't that in itself cause it to be "true"?
Why do people die in automobile accidents? If there is no ontic reality and the consensus of all of the victims, police, paramedics, doctors, and family members is that they should live, who got together and decided that they would die?
Did canals exist on Mars while people believed in and talked about them, only to vanish when better telescopes were invented?
Quote:Finally, Maturana's notion of 'illusion' is of our interest. According to him, illusion is not distinguishable from 'correct' perception "because a closed neuronal network cannot discriminate between internally and externally triggered changes in relative neuronal activity. This distinction pertains exclusively to the domain of descriptions in which the observer defines an inside and an outside for the nervous system and the organism." (Maturana, 1978, p. 46). Therefore, the discovery of an illusion is not so much the replacement of a perception (hence to be considered as 'erroneous') by a more correct perception, but rather the decision by an observer to discard the previous perception in favor of the current. When, later on, the observer again decides that his current perception is also an illusion, it will be a matter of just replacing it, not a matter of coming more close to reality 'as it really is'
If anyone had any illusions about Maturana's works, this paragraph alone is reason enough to discard them. His work lacks any scientific basis and relies on unsubstantiated assumptions and irrational arguments.
Some gems from the readings: Infants do not actually "see" their mothers until they have language to describe her. Mice are not objects to cats. Courting birds do not signal to each other. Body language is not a real language. A rubber ball does not shatter because we froze it and dropped it, but rather its state determines the way it deals with perturbations. The adaptive capacity to compensate perturbations is what Maturana calls cognition.
And best of all:
Quote:Vico, the review said, had produced an excellent exposition of his philosophy but had not furnished a proof of its truth. For a constructivist who has deliberately discarded the notion that knowledge should correspond to an independent ontological "reality", the request of such a proof is an absurdity because he could not supply it without contradicting the central thesis of his philosophy, namely that knowledge cannot and need not reflect an ontological world but must be judged by its function in the experiential world and by its coherence.