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ideal welfare sytem

 
 
vid
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 11:25 am
flaja wrote:
vid wrote:
There's also problems with nut allergy as regards fruit cake.

Flaja, just one more question - are you a Republican?, as no matter how much I've read and re-read your posts, your allegiance isn't obvious and I can't seem to make up my mind. I know it's a bit of a personal question, but I'm dying to know.


I haven't been a Republican since 10 GOP senators voted to acquit Clinton in 1998.


My mind is now at ease. I had a sneaking suspicion that you held some liberal views when I read your posts on other threads.
I can't put my finger on exactly what made my mind up about this, but your opinions and style of writing puts me in mind of a young Michael Moore.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 11:46 am
Since Herr Flaja is so virulently contemptuous of liberals and all of their evil works, one can only assume that he is willing to work for less than minimum wage, for longer than 40 hours per week with no overtime payments, doesn't want unemployment insurance or workers' compensation coverage.

After all, those things are just part of the evil liberal agenda.
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flaja
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 11:49 am
Green Witch wrote:
Flaja - have you ever looked at the requirements to become a welfare recipient in this country? Have you ever looked at the paperwork you need to fill out just to get food stamps?


I gather that it is usually a lot easier to do the paperwork for welfare than it is to get a job. My neighbor right now is a case in point. She has 3 children by 3 different men. She was only married to one of them and she lived with the 2nd for about 10 years while he was married to a woman in another state. She got pregnant by the 3rd man while she was still shacked-up with #2. She gets welfare for every single one of her children and hasn't worked but about 3 months since I met her in the summer of 2005. And the real kicker is that she is on some government program that lets her go to the best hospitals in town when she or her children need medical attention, while my disabled mother, who worked full-time (and then some) from the time she was 16 to the time she was 50, has to go to the county welfare hospital because all she qualifies for is Medicare.

So don't preach to me about how hard it is to live on welfare.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 11:52 am
flaja wrote:
ehBeth wrote:
we sure can't let you into the libertarians' clubhouse


That's the kindest thing any of you fruitcakes here have ever said to me.


Not a Republican, doesn't like liberal fruitcakes, not a libertarian, thinks Greenwitch preaches. The political spectrum's going to have to invent a new spot to perch on.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 11:56 am
I just become more convinced that he's NSDAP . . . or perhaps the German American Bund . . .
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 11:59 am
flaja wrote:

So don't preach to me about how hard it is to live on welfare.


Youir above example clöearly shows that you've gone through all that.


The USA are really a paradise for men:make children, pay nothing but the mother gets welfare.

I'm glad you're starting to revolutionise that system!
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vid
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:02 pm
Hey, I want an umlaut!
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:03 pm
flaja wrote:
Green Witch wrote:
Flaja - have you ever looked at the requirements to become a welfare recipient in this country? Have you ever looked at the paperwork you need to fill out just to get food stamps?


I gather that it is usually a lot easier to do the paperwork for welfare than it is to get a job. My neighbor right now is a case in point. She has 3 children by 3 different men. She was only married to one of them and she lived with the 2nd for about 10 years while he was married to a woman in another state. She got pregnant by the 3rd man while she was still shacked-up with #2. She gets welfare for every single one of her children and hasn't worked but about 3 months since I met her in the summer of 2005. And the real kicker is that she is on some government program that lets her go to the best hospitals in town when she or her children need medical attention, while my disabled mother, who worked full-time (and then some) from the time she was 16 to the time she was 50, has to go to the county welfare hospital because all she qualifies for is Medicare.

So don't preach to me about how hard it is to live on welfare.


A welfare system that works would supply good daycare (like in France), job training, affordable (safe) housing and a mentoring system that made sure this woman could learn to support herself and her family. In most states welfare is not an endless program, there are time limits. Requirements are many, and most do more to add to the problem. I have no idea what kind of health insurance she has, it doesn't exist in my state. If your mom is having health insurance issues, I suggest that you fight for change and vote for a candidate that is willing to try and fix our mess of a system created by past politcians (starting with Nixon) and greedy,private insurance agencies.
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vid
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:08 pm
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:09 pm
vid wrote:
Hey, I want an umlaut!


I'll give you a 'ß' for free.

Only when you belong to the group under 5-years old crack users you get all umlauts (that's instead of being send to a camp in the New Mexico dessert or getting a broth from fruitcakes, though.)
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:10 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
vid wrote:
Hey, I want an umlaut!


I'll give you a 'ß' for free.



excuse me, but that belongs to me and hamburger!
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:13 pm
ehBeth wrote:

excuse me, but that belongs to me and hamburger!


No. You didn't renew your subscription!
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vid
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:18 pm
What type of keyboard have you got there, Walter H? A Mercedes? BMW?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:21 pm
Standard European/German.

You could do so, too, using some Alt keys + three/four digits e.g. from this website
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:26 pm
In façt, àll of thèsé silly thïngs can bé donè with a stàndàrd kèyböàrd

(We don't need no steenkeeng alt key . . . )
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vid
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:29 pm
I will no doubt find that invaluable, Walter, when I come to placing my order for that Mercedes 450 after I've won the state lottery.

I'm off now for the weekend. Someone has been silly enough to join me for a short trip, large meals and a bit of soothing.

Keep the thread warm 'til I get back, guys.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:37 pm
Setanta wrote:

(We don't need no steenkeeng alt key . . . )



Ýõû çöû£Ð.
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flaja
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:46 pm
Walter Hinteler wrote:
flaja wrote:

So don't preach to me about how hard it is to live on welfare.


Youir above example clöearly shows that you've gone through all that.


The USA are really a paradise for men:make children, pay nothing but the mother gets welfare.

I'm glad you're starting to revolutionise that system!


My father never paid child support and now owes my mother something like $22,000 (not adjusted for inflation and not including any interest). My mother always worked 40-60 hours a week. The closest we ever came to welfare was reduced-price school lunches for me for the first 2 years after the divorce.

You can have no idea how galling it was to go to the grocery store during the Carter Administration and be able to barely afford hamburger while someone else used food stamps to buy steak while they wear as much jewelry as a Gabor sister and then ride home in a taxicab.
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flaja
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:52 pm
Green Witch wrote:
A welfare system that works would supply good daycare (like in France), job training, affordable (safe) housing and a mentoring system that made sure this woman could learn to support herself and her family.


And a good society would value marriage and legitimacy enough to see to it that women stayed married to the father of their children and the father of these children was obligated to provide a living for his family.

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In most states welfare is not an endless program, there are time limits.


Since when? My neighbor's oldest child is in her mid-20s. Her middle child is only 14 and the youngest is not yet 3 years old. Welfare has been a way of life for my neighbor.
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 12:57 pm
flaja wrote:


My father never paid child support and now owes my mother something like $22,000 (not adjusted for inflation and not including any interest). My mother always worked 40-60 hours a week. The closest we ever came to welfare was reduced-price school lunches for me for the first 2 years after the divorce. .


Today if he did not pay he would end up with his wages garnished or in
jail, so that part is better.

flaja wrote:
You can have no idea how galling it was to go to the grocery store during the Carter Administration and be able to barely afford hamburger while someone else used food stamps to buy steak while they wear as much jewelry as a Gabor sister and then ride home in a taxicab.


So you associate the Carter Era with your poverty, interesting on a psychological level.

The average food stamp family is given less than one dollar per person per meal, you don't see steak in their grocery carts nowadays.

We agree flaja that the system doesn't work. I want the system to get people off of welfare by helping them, you seem to want them to just die in a dark corner out of your way. These people are Americans, we benefit by investing to make them better Americans.
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