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Exercise Goals for 2008

 
 
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 10:53 am
maporche : When is the race?



Joe(3.6 miles in the frigging rain this am) Nation
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 11:16 am
Joe Nation wrote:
maporche : When is the race?



Joe(3.6 miles in the frigging rain this am) Nation



It's the Chicago marathon, sometime in mid October (the 12th I think).

I have plenty of time to train (24 more weeks, on top of the 5 I've already done).

I'm currently using an 18 week training plan, at about week 15 it has me tapering off the miles to prepare for the race....but obviously I'll still be 9 weeks away from the big race at that time. I don't know how I'll modify the plan when I get to that point, but I figure for the next 10 weeks I'll be fine just sticking to the plan.

I went to B&N to get that book you suggested, but they were sold out. I ended up picking up "Marathon: The ultimate training guide" by Hal Higdon that a runner at B&N suggested. I've read a few chapters so far and there is some advice there (not sure if it's good or not, but I'll give it a shot).




You may be able to answer this question for me. Since I have an extra 9 weeks to train beyond what my plan calls for, should I try to train up to 26 miles in training? The 18 week plan has the longest run set at 20 miles 3 weeks before the race. Would you recommend me just completing 2 or 3 more 20 mile runs, or should gradually escalate up to 26?

To answer your other question from a previous post. I do run during the week as well. This week it is: Tuesday 3 miles, Wednesday 6 miles, Thursday 3 miles, Friday Cross Training (cycling for me), Saturday rest, Sunday 12 miles, Monday rest.
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George
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 01:24 pm
maporsche~

Let me add my attaboys to those already given!

I'm the least technical runner you'll ever meet.
I have no idea what my heartrate is while running.
I just go by perceived levels of effort.

When I was training for Ocean State (way back in '83), I followed a
program put forth by Amby Burfoot. I had about twice as much time as
called for so I did the workouts specified on every other week. So, for
example, I did weeks 1, 2 and 3's workouts on weeks 1, 3 and 5. For the
intervening weeks -- 2 and 4 in this example -- I did something that was
roughly an average of the weeks preceding and following. It worked out
OK.
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George
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 01:26 pm
Week 17

8.8 miles

Scheduled cumulative mileage: 340
Actual cumulative mileage: 355.8

My achin' back is almost ready for a light jog.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 02:40 pm
George--

I'm glad your back is relenting and becoming sociable again.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 03:48 pm
Yes, that's great news!

Take it easy tho! Don't overdo it...
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quinn1
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 04:25 pm
I can't go back and read all the pages but, it looks like lots of runners!! Cool stuff. I don't run. lol.

I do want to excersie more though whenever I can get the time at least.

I have a problem though and since some of you peeps are runners maybe you can assist? Do any of you have or have had problems with Morton's Neuromas? I have them - and they have gotten MUCH better with shoes, orthotics, etc. But, now the long bone joint is bruised right at the ball and big toe. Got the doc to do specialized additions to the orthotics to correct that. Been staying off my feet for like 2 months now and it's gotten better but, if you have any ideas on the best way to get back into things I would appreciate any input you have.
Thanks
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jespah
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 05:36 pm
Sounds like low to no impact is the way to go. Is swimming an option?

PS Welcome back, dolling.
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George
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 07:21 pm
Hey quinn1, good to see ya.

I just read up on Morton's Neuromas. Sounds awful! I wish I had some
help to give, but that's one foot woe I've never run afoul of. Hope you
find good and lasting relief.
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Tai Chi
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 07:37 pm
quinn 1 I used to suffer from Morton's Neuroma too. I say "used to" as it really doesn't bother me much anymore. (I've developed plantar's fascitis instead but that's a whole 'nother kettle of fish.) I found the orthotics very helpful but it was really important to wear a running shoe with a wide toe box -- either New Balance in a wide width or Saucony worked for me. Your doctor may have shoe brand recommendations for your feet in particular.

I don't run, but I really enjoy walking and found I just had to figure out the farthest I could go before the pain/pins and needles/limping set in. I've worked out a circuit and I don't deviate from it. As long as I don't overdo it I'm okay.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 07:54 pm
maporsche wrote:
Quote:
It's the Chicago marathon, sometime in mid October (the 12th I think).

I have plenty of time to train (24 more weeks, on top of the 5 I've already done).

I'm currently using an 18 week training plan, at about week 15 it has me tapering off the miles to prepare for the race....but obviously I'll still be 9 weeks away from the big race at that time. I don't know how I'll modify the plan when I get to that point, but I figure for the next 10 weeks I'll be fine just sticking to the plan.

I went to B&N to get that book you suggested, but they were sold out. I ended up picking up "Marathon: The ultimate training guide" by Hal Higdon that a runner at B&N suggested. I've read a few chapters so far and there is some advice there (not sure if it's good or not, but I'll give it a shot).




You may be able to answer this question for me. Since I have an extra 9 weeks to train beyond what my plan calls for, should I try to train up to 26 miles in training? The 18 week plan has the longest run set at 20 miles 3 weeks before the race. Would you recommend me just completing 2 or 3 more 20 mile runs, or should gradually escalate up to 26?


In a word (or two words) WHOA, COWBOY!!!

Get your calendar out and chart your 18 week of Marathon Training and restart at that time. Proceed through the training program up to race day. Meanwhile, that is, for the next nine weeks or so, build up your base weekly average to 20-25 miles. Use the time to try out some interval training to build up a little speed. Find a nice long hill and use it to practice good control going up (strong strong) and going down (no clopping, no pounding your knees.)

Every marathon coach I've heard speak and my coach, Shelly Glover, of the Glover book I mentioned, says Do not run 26 miles in training. Why? Because of the recovery time. It takes three to four weeks to completely recover from running a marathon, so if you blithely run the distance in late September you will still be one week from recovery on race day. Believe me, there's plenty of miles to be run in the training program. If you look, there will be a series of 20's and 13's (the "twenty" weeks you will hit 40 miles) there will be at least three of them. 'taint easy. "But TOO much mileage, says Glover, can lead to failure. It may be wise to save increased mileage for training to improve your marathon time next year."

If a local running club has a race, get it in it. Get in several and have a lot of fun trying to run around the slower folks and learning to sip water from a cup while still in motion.

Joe(it's so good for your head. More later)Nation
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Tue 29 Apr, 2008 08:08 pm
I forgot to say "Way to go" to George... take it easy, lot's of time yet.

I ran 3.64 miles in the pouring rain this morning and was just as pissed as wet soooooo I put my shorts on after work and ran another 7.46 to make it an even 11.1 for the day. I feel great. Something happened when I got these new shoes, I am now running sub-nine minute miles. Last year at this time it took me an hour to run five miles. Tonight I did the 7.46 in 1 hour and two minutes.

Joe(zippy me)Nation
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quinn1
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 02:32 am
Hi Jes -- yeah, thats a thought - swimming. There's even a pool here at the new place but ummm...I dont use it. LOL. It's above ground - silly.
Nice to see you too!

Hi ya George- good to see you - and you're just a crazy running man now, huh? Good for you - keep up the good work. And well - yes, it is very painful but it's ease off so, thats great.

TaiChi - hi. All I wear 24/7 right now are the New Balance 844's. They are FABULOUS. Especially with the orthotics. I got the Super Feet greens from REI and doc customized them in addition. So, guess I'm on the right track and just still have to bide my time and expect to have it here and there. I enjoy walking and hiking and it has been horrible but I'm going to look for some good hiking boots to go with my fancy orthotics to see if that helps. I found too that I shouldn't overdue it. The more I push myself the worse it is so, I just have to stop being so dang crazy. The puppy gets a half a block walk instead of a full one with me, things like that and I am trying to deal with that. Glad to hear it's the same type of thing you are doing.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 12:23 pm
Did two miles minus 100 meters. (On the last lap, a thigh muscle started twinging at me, so I stopped at the 200-meter mark, then walked 100 meters and it seemed fine, so ran the last 100 meters, but it was twinging again by the end. Mostly fine now.)
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George
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 01:36 pm
sozobe wrote:
Did two miles minus 100 meters. (On the last lap, a thigh muscle started twinging at me, so I stopped at the 200-meter mark, then walked 100 meters and it seemed fine, so ran the last 100 meters, but it was twinging again by the end. Mostly fine now.)

Good grief! Someone who works out with common sense. I may try that!
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jespah
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 02:01 pm
Common sense? What the heck is that?

Getting better and faster, heh, even in low heels. If there's a race for people in business suits and shoes, I'm in.*





*Disclaimer: only if I can walk, not run. Briefcase optional.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 06:16 pm
George wrote:
sozobe wrote:
Did two miles minus 100 meters. (On the last lap, a thigh muscle started twinging at me, so I stopped at the 200-meter mark, then walked 100 meters and it seemed fine, so ran the last 100 meters, but it was twinging again by the end. Mostly fine now.)

Good grief! Someone who works out with common sense. I may try that!


Tai CHI wrote :
Quote:
As long as I don't overdo it I'm okay.


a mantra for all of us.

Joe(Let's say it together.... As Long As I don't OVERdo it, I'm okay)Nation
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Mame
 
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Reply Wed 30 Apr, 2008 06:24 pm
Just want to tell you all that I lost 7 lbs between Jan 1 and Feb 22 eating soup, granola & yogurt and avocado rolls.

Then between Feb 22 and April 8, when I was in camp, I lost 15 pounds cooking all day long.

And I didn't move my lazy ass once.

Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Ha! I win!

Seriously, though, you guys keep up the good work Very Happy
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2008 04:12 am
way to go, Mame.

Maybe you should try creating a weight loss spa where participants are taken to the mining camp, allowed to cook all day, maybe do the laundry for the men, shovel some snow etc, no organized exercise - just movement to keep from freezing- and see how many pounds could be lost by the average urbanite.

Joe(They'd lose two pounds a day in water weight just from the crying)Nation
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Thu 1 May, 2008 05:07 am
I'm convinced there is a market for a real No Frills Spa--no pampering, just pick and shovel work followed by swimming and stretching.

All refrigerators would be on the other side of the mountain and 1200 calories a day would be trucked in for each participant.
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