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Tue 25 Dec, 2007 08:43 pm
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If the citizens did what Bronson did,
wud that be good or bad for violent criminals ?
In the DEATH WISH movie, Charles Bronson, our hero, was a pacifist,
who grew up with guns, and was a good shot.
He was emotionally DESTROYED ( having a death wish )
by the rape n murder of his wife n daughter by NYC street criminals.
It is implied that he felt as tho he had been killed himself
by the results of the trauma to his family.
He cared little what happened to him.
A satisfied client awarded him a boxed .32 caliber revolver.
He sought revenge against violent criminal predators.
He did so by flashing cash, thereby provoking n baiting,
lowlife predators to attack him in the streets of NYC; he then defended himself.
This was inconsistent with the survival of the criminals.
The criminals had assumed that the gun control laws
had disarmed their victims beforehand; that proved not to be true in Bronson's case.
What his character did was helpful to the peaceful citizens of NY
( many of whom, liberals, condemned him ).
Because their crimes were in progress,
this was not punishment; it was DEFENSE.
Crime plummeted; too risky for the violent criminals of NY.
He attacked no one who did not attack him first.
He was bravely willing to accept the consequences of his choices.
If this became a popular pass time in NY ( more productive than baseball ),
violent, predatory criminals wud be in very, very, serious trouble,
to the point of facing extinction.
Wud that be good or bad ?
David
I'm having siome difficulty with this question. Are you asking if the model to ward off crime ought to be from a one-man-innocent-revenge-seeking hero from a movie?
If citizens emulated Charles Bronson,
enticing violent criminal predators to attack them
and then blasting them ( unexpectedly, with defensive gunfire )
wud that be good or bad for the violent predatory crime industry ?
David
Phoenix32890 wrote:OmSigDAVID wrote:If citizens emulated Charles Bronson,
enticing violent criminal predators to attack them
and then blasting them ( unexpectedly, with defensive gunfire )
wud that be good or bad for the violent predatory crime industry ?
David
The problem is with enticing the criminals.
It is one thing to defend yourself (even with lethal force) when you are being attacked.
It is quite another to provoke an attack just to have a justification for killing someone.
Yeah;
I think Bronson did it in the spirit of a rattlesnake hunt.
What effect wud that have upon the violent crime industry ?
(
Is that an unfair labor practice ? )
What about the giddy shooters? The one's who would indiscriminately kill and say they were in danger when perhaps they were not. Oh wait, that's Rwanda.
I still think you are daydreaming about a very choreographed scenario.
OmSigDAVID wrote:Gala wrote:What about the giddy shooters? The one's who would indiscriminately kill and say they were in danger when perhaps they were not. Oh wait, that's Rwanda.
I still think you are daydreaming about
a very choreographed scenario.
Yeah, well all good movies are.
Bad movies are choreographed.
In many ways, Charles Bronson was the Mel Gibson of his day. I forget the name of the movie sequels M. Gibson was in, the ones with Danny Glover, he had a death wish in those. I speak of Mel Gibson in his pre-disgrace days.
Gala wrote:OmSigDAVID wrote:Gala wrote:What about the giddy shooters? The one's who would indiscriminately kill and say they were in danger when perhaps they were not. Oh wait, that's Rwanda.
I still think you are daydreaming about
a very choreographed scenario.
Yeah, well all good movies are.
Bad movies are choreographed.
I can 't stand
cinema verite;
to me, its annoying.
All movies other than those
are planned,
in meticulous detail.
Thay are rehearsed.
That avoids chaos.
David
I did not allow my children to see Death Wish until after they were sixteen. I explained to them how such a film promotes vigilante actions and sends a message that subverts due process. If a true criminal cannot be allowed due process, it is only a matter of a degree or two, until it is denied the innocent as well. I told my children they could decide on their own from that point whether or not they wished to see such garbage.
You are an insult to a2k's intelligence.
edgarblythe wrote:You are an insult to a2k's intelligence.
U 'd make a better impact on this forum
if u addressed the merits of the arguments u disfavor
( i.e., with
reasoning ) rather than just to sling personal insults.
That is futile, sterile, ineffective, and wasteful of time.
Maybe that 's asking too much of u.
David
In the movie,
altho the liberals of NYC deplored Bronson
and vilified him, at their cocktail parties,
the citizens had an abrupt decline in the rate of violent street crime.
It was too dangerous for the criminals.
A sizable proportion of them refused to work, under those conditions.
( I 'm trying to figure out whether Bronson was guilty of an unfair labor practice ?? )
David
Its a good thing that u told us the same thing the second time, Ed.
i think kids should be protected from adult fantasy and 'make believe' as much as possible. The Death Wish films are the real insult to intelligence.
Certificate 18 - and for good reason. For protection.
Apart from the graphic rape scene in death wish II (which i would consider child abuse to show a kid) - revenge is a mug's game. A perversely negative Ouroboros, destroying itself by becoming the very thing it set out initially to defeat.
Maybe some parents want more for their kids than miss-placed hero worship combined with self righteousness that deceives the weak into thinking they can get away with murder/playing god. That they have the right to inflict their suffering onto others.
Anyway, the central character is a fake
If he'd really had a death wish he would have stuck the gun in his own mouth and blown his own brains out.
The man was having a paddy. He was out of control. A police marksman would have brought him down for sure, in reality.
He went on a killing spree to distract himself from the painful reality. He became what he despised rather than face his own grief. What a baby.
If he'd really loved the victims whose deaths are flaunted as an excuse, he would have honored them by protecting others from similar violent death - not by dishing out more of it.
I think it takes a brave man to feel the pain of injustice and deal with it inside
Endy
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