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Arella Mae wrote:

But what you are doing is only picking out the parts that back up what you are wanting it to say.

If the God you believe in is a God of love than the parts I'm picking out would never appear in a series of books he inspired or wrote, whatever the case may be.

Why would a God of love want to write such things about himself unless the passages were written by hateful humans who tried to justify their behavior by believing their God told them to do the things they did.

How many times have we heard that, in war, it was God who gave victory, when they won that is. Robert E. Lee did this until the battle of Gettysburg. "Oops," he may have thought, "maybe God doesn't want us slaveholders to win."

Are we to believe that God likes wars and manipulates battles, watching men suffering and dying? That's what the Bible tells us. Why did God make the sun stand still for a day? So Joshua could kill more Amorites.

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Arella Mae wrote:

Perhaps you should make yourself more availed of exactly what a prophet of God is? [Once again, i find it hard to believe that English is your native language.] I am no prophet nor have I ever claimed to be. Perhaps this is why we are having this miscommunication on this particular verse?

There is no miscommunication. You are simply attempting to dance around the issue of all the loud-mouthed christians who quote chapter and verse in a feeble attempt to claim that they know god's truth and can inform others of it if others will only listen to their interpretation of scripture. These are the false prophets to whom Matthew refers, and you are one of the worst offenders, whether or not you have ever claimed to be a prophet.

Hypocrite.

Maroon.

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Setanta,

I merely gave you a scripture and what I thought it meant. I did not say you had to believe it, etc. That particular verse IS speaking of false prophets and I did not bring up false prophets at all. If you do not agree with that then you don't agree with that. No skin off my nose.

However, your resorting to namecalling is a good reason for me to not discuss this with you further. There is no need for it and I won't engage in it.

Xingu,

I don't deny God killed a lot of people. I can't deny it. Do I completely understand why? No, I don't. And yes, I defer to God on this because TO ME, He is the ultimate authority. You do not have to accept it, like it, agree with it, etc.

It doesn't cause any hard feelings with me no matter what you do or don't believe.

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Arella Mae wrote:

I merely gave you a scripture and what I thought it meant. I did not say you had to believe it, etc. That particular verse IS speaking of false prophets and I did not bring up false prophets at all. If you do not agree with that then you don't agree with that. No skin off my nose.

It's no skin off my nose that you constantly throw scripture around as though you were privy to special insight into the meaning of "god's word," and therefore qualify as one of the false prophets to whom Matthew refers.

More to the point is Matthew 23:27, in the King James Version:

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

Of course, the way you butcher English, you'll need to bone up a good deal before you can find gainful employment as a scribe. Boy, though, you sure have the qualification above down pat.

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Arella

If god came to you today, in the shape of a human being, and told you to kill yourself... would you?

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vikorr wrote:

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So, if they mean well (their heart is pure, they believe in God, and all that), but they behave badly, you're o.k. with it.

Hi ehBeth, I know you were addressing Arella Mae in this one, but I'm curious if you could give an example action for your above quote - one that is consistent with Christian beliefs of course.

Do the names Swaggert, Baker, Haggard ring a bell?

Remember the good Baptist Bernie Ebbers?

Think this guy will be forgiven for his sins and go to heaven?

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Before the Boston Strangler terrorized his hometown in the early 1960's, Thomas Piper, a young church sexton of a local Baptist church, was the scourge of the aristocratic town when he committed a series of vicious sex slayings. Sporting a long black opera cloak, his crimes actually caused high-society men all over town to cease wearing the garment during the period of the infamous rape-murders.

On the night of December 5, 1873, Piper attacked a girl named Bridget Landregan as she passed some bushes along a road laced in snow. Piper leaped from the bushes and bludgeoned the young woman to death, but was unable to perform any acts of sex on the body when he was scared off by a passing couple. The couple reported the description of the culprit to the police, having labeled Piper as a "dark, bat-like figure." That same night, Piper struck again as he attacked another girl. This time he did rape her and beat her senseless. She survived and was able to give a description her assailant even though the police came no closer to capturing the lunatic.

Piper would claim three more young women before being brought to justice. His modus operandi remained the same in every instance. He would surprise a lone, youthly woman and rape her before beating her to death with a blunt object. After he had committed three murders, the police officially began the hunt for the caped perpetrator. The city itself became a haven of panic and hysteria. The chief of police ordered that all men seen wearing opera cloaks were to be stopped and questioned for suspicion of being the so-called "Boston-Belfry Murderer." It wasn't long before most men ceased wearing opera cloaks altogether.

The fourth and final murder was that of a five-year-old girl named Mabel Hood Young in 1875. The injuries to the body were the same as the other girls; rape or sexual assault followed by a severe beating with a blunt instrument. This time however, the killer was caught. Piper had been identified as the murderer when he was seen by several witnesses taking the little girl to the tower in the Warren Avenue Baptist Church, where the body was found. Piper,26, was arrested and confessed to her murder as well as to three others and a number of rapes. His trial was short and he was convicted of the murder of Mabel Hood Young and sentenced to hang. Since, his conviction and sentencing, Piper retracted his confession and maintained that he was innocent. However, once the day of the hanging arrived he once again admitted his guilt, perhaps as a way of finding forgiveness for his appalling crimes.

http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/serialkillers/piper.htm

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Do the names Swaggert, Baker, Haggard ring a bell?

Remember the good Baptist Bernie Ebbers?

Hi Xingu, I am not familiar with any of those names. I found a Jimmy Swaggart on the web - an American. I live in Australia.

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Think this guy will be forgiven for his sins and go to heaven?

You mistake me. I'm not christian, though I used to be about 15 years back. So the question from that perspective, is moot.

However, I am curious, as you have provided a story/example in response to my post...

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ehBeth wrote:
So, if they mean well (their heart is pure, they believe in God, and all that), but they behave badly, you're o.k. with it.

vikorr wrote:
Hi ehBeth, I know you were addressing Arella Mae in this one, but I'm curious if you could give an example action for your above quote - one that is consistent with Christian beliefs of course.

... how you believe your story/example answers the question I asked of ehBeth. It certainly isn't consistent with christian beliefs.

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Cyracuz wrote:

Arella

If god came to you today, in the shape of a human being, and told you to kill yourself... would you?

Absolutely not! It wouldn't be God telling me that. The Bible says that when God comes to this earth again every eye will see Him. So, anyone coming to me claiming to be God would be an imposter.

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Haha

So god isn't your highest authority. You are.

I wish you could be honest with yourself and just admit the flaw in your beliefs that is glaring towards everyone who sees this exchange.

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It is HIS WORD that tells when He will come again so yes, He is the ultimate authority.

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But if He comes again, for all eyes to see, then turns to you and tells you to kill yourself. Would you?

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Your point is not valid Cyracuz. You are asking me about something that will never happen.

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God asked it of Abraham - but in relation to Abraham sacrificing his son to God. It's not that big a stretch to God asking someone to suicide.

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Arella

What if I told you that I am god? I don't think you'd believe me.

Would you require proof of me?

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Cyracuz,

You are not God. I don't need proof that you are not God. I already know you are not God.

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The Anti-Christ perhaps? Confused

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Arella

What if god did come back one day and didn't fullfill your expectations of him. What if he wasn't what you thought?

Ever thought of that while you wait for Him?

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God is not a man that He would lie.

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Arella Mae wrote:

God is not a man that He would lie.

Do you believe as some Christians do that God left things on earth to test our faith (This is usually a reference to the fossil record, or other scientific finds which directly contradict events written in the Bible, etc)? If you do believe this, doesn't this illustrate God's ability to be deceptive?

There is a thin line that separates deception from lies, and I'd wager that neither are more morally sound.

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xingu wrote:

. . . Love isn't killing children for teasing a man about his baldness.

That's it!

Finally I get why you have a furry avatar.

You're bald, aren't you? Laughing

Or, perhaps, there is a good deal more to the stories you cite than what you desire to believe.

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