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Fri 22 Aug, 2003 04:10 pm
Very typical of the mindset of the Republicans here.
The only answer they have for anything is total annihilation.
It doesn't matter if it's the social safety net, or Iraq, or the economy, or a building where Democrats once met. Their response is the same, always:
"Kill 'em all."
Reminds me of Clinton aides exiting the Whitehouse. Childish.
It would be better if there were a bunch of Californicrats in the building when the roof comes crashing down.
Craven de Kere wrote:Reminds me of Clinton aides exiting the Whitehouse. Childish.
That was a myth conjured up by the right-wing propoganda machine, Craven.
Are you suggesting that the fabrication of the White House trashing is on par with this stunt in Houston?
That was no myth. Bush actually supressed the details because he didn't want (the press) to dwell on his predacessor.
I do not believe the Whitehouse trashing was fabricated. I do believe it was embelished.
If you have evidence to the contrary I'd be very interested. A 5 second Google search turned up nothing definitive.
cjhsa wrote:That was no myth. Bush actually supressed the details because he didn't want (the press) to dwell on his predacessor.
Wrong-o.
Craven de Kere wrote:I do not believe the Whitehouse trashing was fabricated. I do believe it was embelished.
If you have evidence to the contrary I'd be very interested. A 5 second Google search turned up nothing definitive.
Right-o:
No Truth in Clinton White House Vandal Scandal, GSA Reports
Got about twenty more (if anybody else needs convincing).
I call it 'fabrication'. You call it embellishment.
We're not talking about Iraq, are we?
It was a hoax Craven where the WH was asked to put up or shutup and the worst thing documented was "W" keys stolen off keyboards. Since it was current event news, it would be very hard to find articles. I believe that there was even an investigation that proved the WH of down right falsehoods.
This is what the Bush administration depends on - create lies, even when they are proven to be thus - there is a % who still believes the fabrications.
PDiddie,
So if someone can match you one for one you'd accept that you are wrong?
I'll keep looking into it but bold declarations that the other side lied are a dime a dozen. It's hard to find something definitive on this.
Nemind guys. It's not like this is a important issue to me.
<bowing out>
I likewise find dozens (4710, to be exact) of accounts. All vary from one end to the other, depending on their POV.
This is as close as you get to being right:
Quote:The final, official report from the Government Accounting Office was released on June 11, 2002. The 220 page document says there was damage, although not as much as some of the early reports had suggested. The GAO says the damage included 62 missing computer keyboards, 26 cell phones, two cameras, ten antique doorknobs and several presidential medallions and office signs. The damage estimate was about $20,000. Clinton critics say the report proves that the departing Clinton staff members acted recklessly and disrespectfully. Clinton supporters say the report shows that the allegations of vandalism were exaggerated and that there were similar incidents when Clinton took over the White House from the staff of George Bush.
The GAO report concludes that even though damage was verified and that some of it appeared to have been intentional, there was not clear evidence of who was responsible for it.
truthorfiction.com
PDiddie,
Thanks for the truth or fiction link. That is along the lines of what I had in mind.
Anywho, back to the regularly scheduled program about how you guys think Republicans are so 'orrible.
End of digression.
Does anyone care to dispute that Republicans (especially the ones in Texas) are still the world's biggest jerks?
(Except Republicans, of course.)
I managed to find the original Drudge report that broke the news:
XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX WED JAN 24, 2001 18:51 ET XXXXX
WHITE HOUSE OFFICES LEFT 'TRASHED': PORN BOMBS, LEWD MESSAGES;
LEGAL PROBE CONSIDERED
**Exclusive Details**
The Bush Administration has quietly launched an investigation into
apparent acts of vandalism and destruction of federal property -- after
incoming Bush staffers discover widespread sabotage of White House
office equipment and lewd messages left behind by previous tenants!
Harriet Miers, 55, Assistant to President Bush and staff secretary
will be investigating possible legal ramifications of the White House
trashing and possible theft, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
"Miers is just beginning her investigation," a well-place source said
late Wednesday from Washington. "The level of the trashing is very
troubling, this is not just 'W' keys missing from keyboards."
The damage left by departing Clintonites goes "way beyond pranks, to
vandalism", said a close Bush adviser.
White House employees aren't waiting to be interviewed by Miers. They
are providing names of the worst malefactors, previous occupants of
specific offices.
Photographic and audio evidence is being collected -- as the full scope
of the damage becomes clear.
Bush's staff has been cautioned not to go public with the extent of the
damage and the worst is being closely held among very top staffers for
fear of leaks. But, according to sources, so far Bush officials have
found:
*Phone lines were cut, rendering them inoperable.
*Voice mail messages were changed to obscene, scatological greetings.
One Bush staffer had his grandmother call from the Midwest. She was
horrified by what she heard on the other end of the line.
*Many phone lines misdirected to other government offices.
*Desks found turned completely upside down and trash deliberately left
everywhere.
*Computer printers that were filled with blank paper but interspersed
with pornographic pictures and obscene slogans that would be revealed
only as items were run off the computer.
*'W' keys weren't just pried off more than 40 keyboards, some were glued
on with Superglue; some were turned upside down and glued on.
*Filing cabinets glued shut.
*VP Office space in the Old Executive Office Building found in s.
complete shambles. Mrs. Gore had to phone Mr Cheney to apologize, s.
first reported by Rich Galen's Mulling s.
*Lewd MagicMarker graffiti found on one office hallway.
Fox lies about it better, cj:
Quote:Leading the cry against the trashing of the White House was the Fox News Channel. Virtually every major Fox personality reported it as fact, often expressing their own personal outrage. Guests on the channel chimed in, condemning the Clintons and their staffers. Consider the following reports:
Hume, Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. ad nauseum
And oh by the way:
Quote:Now the General Accounting Office (GAO), the investigative arm of the US Congress, has taken the wind out of Bush administration allegations that Clinton officials trashed the White House before turning it over to the Republicans in January of 2001. The GAO issued a 217-page report on June 11 summarizing the results of a year-long investigation into Republican charges of wanton and widespread vandalism. The report concludes that minor and scattered acts of vandalism did occur, putting the total cost at $13,000 to $14,000, but says such damage is typical of recent White House transitions, including that carried out in 1993 by Republican officials in the outgoing administration of the elder George Bush, the father of the current president.
World Socialist Web Site
Got it? Drudge and Fox on one end, the World Socialists on the other?
Go back up and read the truthorfiction link I posted.
Or keep exemplifying Republican jerkiness.
Excuse me Pdid, no namecalling please. All I did was post the Drudge stuff as historical reference, I never claimed it as absolute truth.
The truthorfiction link basically says what everyone expected. It also notes that President Bush acted to downplay the matter.