ebrown_p wrote:We have already been over this MM, but I will spell it out once more real slow.
Being against breaking the law is a reasonable (and logically) consistent position to take-- as long as you apply it in all cases. I have already shown my disdain for those who oppose the war on drugs but want harsh enforcement of immigration laws; but it's the hypocrisy here that really bugs me.
To me, when you the consider the good to society of a compassionate immigration policy to American values; community, family, and understanding, harsh punishment is not a reasonable immigration policy.
But this is a value judgment, and if you think that harsh punishment as part of a strict enforcement policy is the best thing for our country and our society, I disagree with you, but I can disagree respectfully.
The problem is when anti-immigrant people take it much further than this argument over punishment versus compassion.
The exaggeration of crime rates, the racial stereotypes, the "invasion" rhetoric, the dehumanization, the attempts to punish people for speaking Spanish (a language that is spoken by millions of American citizens), the equation of landscapers with terrorists... all of these things go much deeper than a "law and order" argument.
I am pro-immigrant. This term fits me because I think that people who come here should be treated as human beings regardless of their status (assuming they don't murder and aren't terrorists).
If you are anti-illegal immigrant, then I am perfectly fine with the term.
But go talking about Mexicans bringing leprosy, or try to take away the right of American citizens to speak Spanish at work... and I am not going to buy it.
Yes, for some, it really is about breaking the law.
But for others, it is obvious, that "Illegal" is just an clever trick now that their racism isn't so popular.
I have always taken the position that ILLEGAL immigrants are breaking our laws and should be punished for that.
I have never said anything
Quote:about Mexicans bringing leprosy, or try to take away the right of American citizens to speak Spanish at work
As for speaking Spanish at work, whats the big deal?
I speak some spanish, so as long as you can communicate and get the job done, I dont really care what language you speak.
You yourself have said that I have always been constant about the fact that its about the LAW, not racist on my part, or did you forget that?
But I have also been consistent about this, lets match our immigration laws to other countries.
If you come here ILLEGALLY from Mexico, you get judged by Mexican immigration law.
If you come here ILLEGALLY from England, you get judged by English immigration law.
And so on, using your home countries immigration law as the guide to judge you by, if you come here ILLEGALLY.
In my mind, nothing could be more fair then that.
Nowhere have I ever advocated
Quote:The exaggeration of crime rates, the racial stereotypes, the "invasion" rhetoric, the dehumanization, the attempts to punish people for speaking Spanish (a language that is spoken by millions of American citizens), the equation of landscapers with terrorists
I am only advocating that those who break our laws not be rewarded by being allowed to stay in this country.
If anyone wants to immigrate to this country, they should either do so LEGALLY, or not do it at all.
That is all I have ever advocated.
And you yourself have said the same thing about me.