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Why not vote for Ron Paul?

 
 
Buffalo
 
Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 10:16 am
Please tell me why you would NOT vote for Ron Paul?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 11:07 am
Re: Why not vote for Ron Paul?
Buffalo wrote:
Please tell me why you would NOT vote for Ron Paul?


I'm a member of the Democratic party. So Paul will not be getting my vote. I do support your quixotic quest, however- I sent him 20 bucks last month.

Cycloptichorn
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 11:54 am
I will not support a candidate that doesn't support a compassionate immigration policy that includes a path to citizenship for people who are living, working and raising families here.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 12:01 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
I will not support a candidate that doesn't support a compassionate immigration policy that includes a path to citizenship for people who are living, working and raising families here.


Then no one gets your support?
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 12:08 pm
Actually... I strongly support Obama.

Any of the Democratic candidates (including Clinton and Edwards) meet my criteria on immigration.

It is the Republicans who are pandering to the anti-immigration extremists.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 12:19 pm
Ron Paul may be the best of a bad bunch.... but that's no honor.... I would not vote for any of these sub standard republican candidates....
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 12:24 pm
Ron Paul also opposes a woman's right to choose.

... and he sponsored legislation to do away with "gun-free" school zones.

Bear says he may be best of a bad bunch.... I question even that.

I would say he is mediocre in a bad bunch.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 12:30 pm
in this current bunch mediocre is damn high praise....
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 12:50 pm
You mean gun free kill zones ebp. Get it right.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 01:08 pm
" There are few people in politics who, thro' thick and thin, rain or shine stick to their priniples. Ron is one of those few"-- (Some one among the 535 representattive of the people)


His steadfast, unassailable, involnuerable and pure stand against Iraq war is highly admirable and adorable(Only Deniis and Bill Richardson can be equated with him on this particular issue)

If I were a voter in USA I would pay my regards and respects for the above stand but not my vote.
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 13 Dec, 2007 01:59 pm
I live in an open primary state so I may very well vote for him in the primary election. But, unless Hillary gets the nod from the Dems, I wouldn't vote for him in the general election. I do appreciate his libertarian leanings and the fact he's principled to those leanings but I don't like his position on abortion.
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CerealKiller
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 05:22 am
ebrown_p wrote:
I will not support a candidate that doesn't support a compassionate immigration policy that includes a path to citizenship for people who are living, working and raising families here.


If you freely feed all the cats that come to your door, you will soon have more cats than you can feed.

Socialism and unlimited immigration sounds great in soccer mom principle, but absolutely destroys a nation in practice.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 06:28 am
CerealKiller wrote:
ebrown_p wrote:
I will not support a candidate that doesn't support a compassionate immigration policy that includes a path to citizenship for people who are living, working and raising families here.


If you freely feed all the cats that come to your door, you will soon have more cats than you can feed.

Socialism and unlimited immigration sounds great in soccer mom principle, but absolutely destroys a nation in practice.


The most important part of the immigration issue is compassion.

I don't buy the argument that you need to attack and harshly punish "illegal" people in order to control illegal immigration. Breaking families, hurting communities, demonizing ethnic groups and disrupting lives are not a good strategy.

A reasonable immigration solution will focus on exploitative employers and causes of poverty (i.e. NAFTA) while providing a path to citizenship for people here.

But this has already been debated elsewhere.... I was simply answering the question.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 06:31 am
The more I read about Ron Paul, the more I come to the conclusion that he is a complete nut. He is getting the support of the white supremacist crowd; what more can you say?
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 07:07 am
I left on another thread; but it fits here too.

Ron Paul's Old Newsletters Filled With Bigotry And Conspiracy Theories

(links at the site)
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 07:12 am
i, too, mind his stand on abortion, also, i think he's rather old to be a president nowadays. he's 72 (or around there).
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 07:15 am
ebrown_p wrote:

The most important part of the immigration issue is compassion.


No, it isn't. Emotional thinking not based on sound science and logic is what is undermining our country.

Note: epb is the A2K king of spin.
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revel
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 08:51 am
It is not emotion but using common sense to not put a blanket on all immigration issues. For example:

Quote:
McCain's standard answer to immigration questions is that he "got the message." But every so often this practical McCain, bending to the mood of the primary electorate, gets shoved aside by the quixotic McCain, the one who never seems happier than when he's championing a lost cause. At one stop in South Carolina, at Clemson University, a student engaged McCain in an argument about whether his plan rewarded illegal immigrants for breaking the law. McCain was by then in a combative mood. Minutes earlier, a professor had asked about a piece of Internet-crime legislation that he argued would group terrorism researchers with actual terrorists. "Am I a terrorist?" the professor asked, his querulous tone suggesting that McCain hadn't answered the original question. The questioner was wearing tennis shoes, jeans, a pink polo shirt, and a gray blazer, and McCain looked at him carefully. "With those sneakers, you're not a snappy dresser," McCain replied after a pause, as audience members gasped and laughed. "That doesn't mean you're a terrorist. Though you terrorize the senses." To the student with the immigration question, McCain patiently explained that some illegal immigrants had faced unusual circumstances, and he mentioned a woman who has lived in the United States for decades and has a son and a grandson serving in Iraq. When the student said that he wanted to see punishment meted out to anyone who has broken the law, McCain stopped trying to find common ground. "If you're prepared to send an eighty-year-old grandmother who's been here seventy years back to some country, then frankly you're not quite as compassionate as maybe I am," he said. Next question.


Return of the Nativist
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 07:22 pm
Re: Why not vote for Ron Paul?
Buffalo wrote:
Please tell me why you would NOT vote for Ron Paul?

Because "why not?" is too weak a question to ask. The United States has 300,000,000 citizens. For about 299,999,900 of them, I couldn't make a competent case that they shouldn't be president. That doesn't mean they should be. More abstractly stated: The burden of proof isn't on skeptical voters to show that Ron Paul shouldn't be president. It's on his supporters to show that he should be.
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 08:20 pm
ebrown_p wrote:
I will not support a candidate that doesn't support a compassionate immigration policy that includes a path to citizenship for people who are living, working and raising families here.

Ralph Wiggum might not meet your criteria here, since his policy is "stranger danger!" But if you like Ron Paul, Ralph Wiggum might be your candidate.
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