Get yer polls, bets, numbers & pretty graphs! Elections 2008

To people like joefromchicago, blatham, and nimh, this story isn't telling anything they didn't know already. To those in this thread who're in love with Obama like gushing teenagers, no amount of facts will give them a realistic perspective.

And really I don't think anyone here is "in love with Obama like a gushing teenager." Roxxxanne tends to broad and enthusiastic endorsements of those she supports and denunciations of those she doesn't support. But I wouldn't call snood or anyone else here a gushing teenager.

sozobe wrote:

And really I don't think anyone here is "in love with Obama like a gushing teenager." Roxxxanne tends to broad and enthusiastic endorsements of those she supports and denunciations of those she doesn't support. But I wouldn't call snood or anyone else here a gushing teenager.

I, too, tend to broad and enthusiastic statements of my thoughts. Maybe "gushing teenagers" and "no amount of facts" was too broad and too enthusiastic. But yes, I think that neither you, not snood, nor "anyone else", is overly receptive to inconvenient facts about Obama anymore. (I also expect that you and I would pretty much agree on the list of those who fall under "anybody else".)

They used the word "down-scale" so many times that I quickly realized that we have a new sector in American society. The "down-scales". Is this just an MSNBCism or have we marginalized an entire sector of society with a PC label?

He's not saying "no."

Then allow me to go on record that I find it extremely condescending.

sozobe wrote:

And really I don't think anyone here is "in love with Obama like a gushing teenager." Roxxxanne tends to broad and enthusiastic endorsements of those she supports and denunciations of those she doesn't support. But I wouldn't call snood or anyone else here a gushing teenager.

I, too, tend to broad and enthusiastic statements of my thoughts. Maybe "gushing teenagers" and "no amount of facts" was too broad and too enthusiastic. But yes, I think that neither you, not snood, nor "anyone else", is overly receptive to inconvenient facts about Obama anymore. (I also expect that you and I would pretty much agree on the list of those who fall under "anybody else".)

OK, well that's how I took it, and why I referred to my post where my points a) and b) are acceptance of inconvenient facts. I have mixed feelings -- blatham, who you put on the "getting it" side of things, has said that he would throw yucky things at Obama if he rejects public financing. But yes, I took it as an agreement at the time, and I am disappointed in that aspect.

Steven Thomma, writer for McClatchy Newspapers, wrote an article on Feb. 1. He wrote about what type of voter Democratic presidential candidates' Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton attract.

Here's a quote from the newspaper:

"Hers is older women, downscale whites and Latinos. His is young people, affluent whites and blacks."

Thomma said downscale whites is not a pejorative term.

"It's shorthand for economic standing and education," Thomma said. "The term matches exit polling. By definition downscale whites make between $15 and $30,000 and didn't complete high school."

Larry Gerston, NBC11 political analyst and San Jose State University professor, admits he's never heard the term downscale whites.

"If I had to define it, it would mean whites that are usually blue collar and lower on the economic scale or less educated." Gerston said. "Downscale whites are similar to soccer moms and suburbanites."

NBC11 News reporter Cheryl Hurd asked him why use the term at all.

"We try to get past the maze of faces when we look at why things happen in politics." Gerston said. "Recently downscale whites have been with the Clinton campaign. On Super Tuesday we saw signs lower income males were graviting toward Obama source

sorry... continuing with my rant on population sectors.

Thomma said downscale whites is not a pejorative term.

"It's shorthand for economic standing and education," Thomma said. "The term matches exit polling. By definition downscale whites make between $15 and $30,000 and didn't complete high school."

JPB wrote:

sorry... continuing with my rant on population sectors.

How dare you! In a thread about polls of all things!

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Thomma said downscale whites is not a pejorative term.

"It's shorthand for economic standing and education," Thomma said. "The term matches exit polling. By definition downscale whites make between $15 and $30,000 and didn't complete high school."

Oh right. "Downscale" has eight letters, "White Trash" would have had ten. It's all about abbreviation.

Thomas wrote:

sozobe wrote:

And really I don't think anyone here is "in love with Obama like a gushing teenager." Roxxxanne tends to broad and enthusiastic endorsements of those she supports and denunciations of those she doesn't support. But I wouldn't call snood or anyone else here a gushing teenager.

I, too, tend to broad and enthusiastic statements of my thoughts. Maybe "gushing teenagers" and "no amount of facts" was too broad and too enthusiastic. But yes, I think that neither you, not snood, nor "anyone else", is overly receptive to inconvenient facts about Obama anymore. (I also expect that you and I would pretty much agree on the list of those who fall under "anybody else".)

OK, well that's how I took it, and why I referred to my post where my points a) and b) are acceptance of inconvenient facts. I have mixed feelings -- blatham, who you put on the "getting it" side of things, has said that he would throw yucky things at Obama if he rejects public financing. But yes, I took it as an agreement at the time, and I am disappointed in that aspect.

Does it affect your general perception of the hope, change, and integrity vision thing?

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Schneiderman goes on to detail how the conservative movement successfully transformed the political playing field over a very long period, overturning assumptions and working the long view through a concerted, systematic effort to educate and persuade the public that the Republican Party stood for their values and their interests. They worked relentlessly not just to elect Republicans or enact certain policies, but to change the terms on which our national political debate was held.

JPB wrote:

sorry... continuing with my rant on population sectors.

How dare you! In a thread about polls of all things!

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Thomma said downscale whites is not a pejorative term.

"It's shorthand for economic standing and education," Thomma said. "The term matches exit polling. By definition downscale whites make between $15 and $30,000 and didn't complete high school."

Oh right. "Downscale" has eight letters, "White Trash" would have had ten. It's all about abbreviation.