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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2008 10:29 pm
Michael Jackson is from Gary. I wonder how he would vote? He represents racial transcendence.

Laughing Laughing Laughing

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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2008 10:44 pm
3/5 polls are showing an Obama reversal in Indiana.

source: http://www.usaelectionpolls.com/2008/indiana.html

After Clinton giving her speech this would be devastating. I almost want her to win out of mercy and then drop out. The polls that have Hillary winning do have her winning by a larger margin, but who knows.

watches with interest.

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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 6 May, 2008 11:11 pm
98% reporting. Clinton si barely holding on. I don't think a reversal will happen.

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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 05:09 am
A very slim margin is nice though!

This is pretty much exactly what I was hoping for when I went to bed last night -- big NC margin, small IN margin. (2 points!!! Wow.)
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 02:50 pm
sozobe wrote:
This is pretty much exactly what I was hoping for when I went to bed last night -- big NC margin, small IN margin. (2 points!!! Wow.)

Yep, I thought about that last night -- looking at the numbers coming in and thinking, that's your wishlist exactly. Congrats Smile
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 02:53 pm
OCCOM BILL wrote:
nimh wrote:
Hey, you cant be right every time! Smile
Laughing


Okie, in case it's unclear, I intended no sarcasm. I dont remember exactly who predicted what in earlier primaries, but I dont think you were wrong any more often than the rest of us...

I certainly blew my prediction this time - and that when I'd pegged the Pennsylvania result up to the point exact!

Not that I'm complaining... I'm very glad to have been proven wrong Smile
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 02:55 pm
Closer to 14% then 4%, for sure.

But I was wrong about Indiana. I figgered he'd keep it within six... but not by that much!

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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 03:00 pm
Yeah, I was gonna say, Cycloptichorn, you were right there.

And yeah, nimh, I was VERY happy this morning. :-) E.G. woke up first and gave me the news... dragging it out for maximum suspense... nearly throttled him. But very happy dance once he finally coughed it up.

I privately (to my mom, who was visiting) made some predictions that turned out to be pretty accurate, but were pretty general. Basically, I thought that the Wright stuff had finally had time to settle and the gas tax issue was in Obama's favor and that he'd do better than expected in both states. I didn't think he'd win in Indiana though -- I was predicting about a 52-48 Hillary win. (Hence happy dance at only 51-49!)
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Brand X
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 03:03 pm
Still not very high margins considering the gaffes the Hillary campaign have made and her consistently high negatives.
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 03:43 pm
In March, I posted this link to a Google Maps application for the primary results by county for each state.

Since the maps show only one state at a time, I went to Photoshop and painstakingly put together a composite map, because I'm a nut. The fine-tuned version of that map was here.

It laid out what the surrounding landscape looked like for the primaries in Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia and Kentucky -- and the regional trends that crossed state borders already suggested that Obama "ha[d] a shot in Indiana, and especially North Carolina should be more do-able."

Well, three of those primary states are in now - PA, IN and NC. So it's time for an updated map.

Here's the small version - should give a nice feel for the overall patterns. But the details are pretty illegible, so to see the full-size map click on the picture (and when a new window opens, you probably will need to click the image there again to get it in real size).



http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9807/googlemapsprimaries50jl9.png
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nimh
 
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Reply Wed 7 May, 2008 07:00 pm
Nick Beaudrot has lovely maps for the Indiana and North Carolina results up again, each with a brief explanation - click on the maps to enlarge, obviously.

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2008 Indiana Democratic Primary Results Map


http://www.cogitamusblog.com/images/2008/05/07/indiana_dem_2.png


As you can see, Barack Obama did much better in Indiana than he did in Pennsylvania or Ohio. It's rural areas look much more like Missouri than the Lower Midwest. Outside of Indianapolis and Gary, Obama fared much better in the modest size towns, winning Fort Wayne and Eklhart, coming close in Evansville, and not getting blown out in Muncie, Terre Haute, Marion, etc. The two counties just North of Indy is a set of well-off suburbs. And of course there were big wins in Bloomington and Lafayette.


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2008 North Carolina Democratic Primary Results Map


http://www.cogitamusblog.com/images/2008/05/07/northcarolina_dem.png


Here's a map just for the actual results in North Carolina. The two Obama counties in Western NC are Asheville and the college town of Boone. Outside of that, the race breaks down more-or-less on white-black and urban-rural lines, with urban whites more likely to vote Obama and rural whites more likely to vote Clinton. To the east of Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill you have part of the "black belt" that extends into Southern Virginia.

It's worth noting that Obama did much better in Western NC than he did in Southern Ohio, Western Virginia, Eastern Tennessee, etc. Part of this is due to an influx of retirees, but it does seem that Appalachian voters are at least slightly more receptive to voting for him now than they were earlier in the race.

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I grew up in Western North Carolina (near Hayesville in Clay County, the second county from the left on the border with Georgia (where I live now) and it's a dang racist place. Obama is gonna have to work hard against the right to make much headway outside of the in-migrant communities (retirees, etc).

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Oh I don't think he can win there. But it may be offset by a huge increase in college educated voters from the RTP, etc. I'm just pointing out that he lost Clay County 73-25, when he was losing similar counties in East TN, Western VA, something like 90-10. It's small progress, but it's progress.

Posted by: Nicholas Beaudrot |
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 8 May, 2008 12:01 am
nimh wrote:
In March, I posted this link to a Google Maps application for the primary results by county for each state.

Since the maps show only one state at a time, I went to Photoshop and painstakingly put together a composite map, because I'm a nut. The fine-tuned version of that map was here.

It laid out what the surrounding landscape looked like for the primaries in Pennsylvania, Indiana, North Carolina, West Virginia and Kentucky -- and the regional trends that crossed state borders already suggested that Obama "ha[d] a shot in Indiana, and especially North Carolina should be more do-able."

Well, three of those primary states are in now - PA, IN and NC. So it's time for an updated map.

Here's the small version - should give a nice feel for the overall patterns. But the details are pretty illegible, so to see the full-size map click on the picture (and when a new window opens, you probably will need to click the image there again to get it in real size).



http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9807/googlemapsprimaries50jl9.png
Dude. You are flat out f*cking amazing. (Been a while since I reminded you that LOTS of people must enjoy your work without comment... I usually do)
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 8 May, 2008 10:14 am
Thanks Bill! Much appreciated.

It is kinda hard to figure out whether the various twists and turns I contort myself into with all this polling/election data is really of any interest to anyone beyond the most hardcore interested (hi Soz). So -- appreciate the shout out.
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fishin
 
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Reply Thu 8 May, 2008 10:19 am
They are of interest to me! I suppose I should prolly say that more often. Embarrassed

I find this to be a lot nmore informative than reading poll results on CNN and such. Comparing the poll results to each other as well as the rolling history of each gives a much clearer picture of shifts.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Thu 8 May, 2008 10:32 am
Hi nimh! :-D

Yeah, that's a good 'un. Thanks!
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 8 May, 2008 10:58 am
I'm a reader/poll-trend admirer as well.
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 8 May, 2008 11:03 am
joining the choir
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rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 8 May, 2008 11:40 am
They are informational but sometimes go over my head. Not your fault, mine.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 8 May, 2008 12:40 pm
Wow!

Thank you very much! I wasnt expecting that. Thankee!
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 8 May, 2008 12:41 pm
Rasmussen noted yesterday:

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The ongoing competition between Obama and Clinton may be causing angst for party leaders, but the competition has been good for the Party label. In fact, the Democrats now have the largest partisan advantage over the Republicans since Rasmussen Reports began tracking this data on a monthly basis nearly six years ago.
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