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Get yer polls, bets, numbers & pretty graphs! Elections 2008

 
 
FreeDuck
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2008 02:32 pm
NC won't end it, don't worry. Hillary will take PA, Kentucky, and W. Virginia. I don't know about any of the others. She's favored in Puerto Rico but no polls have been done there and I have a feeling, just a feeling mind you, that she won't do as well there as everyone seems to think she will.
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2008 05:50 pm
A note from PPP on the NC poll: Question

Tuesday, March 25, 2008
A note on today's poll

Just a reminder of what I posted last Friday:

One other note on our next poll- we are changing our universe from folks who voted in the 2004 or 2006 primaries to folks who voted in the 2004 primary, 2006 primary, or 2006 general. That's who we called for our very accurate Democratic polls in Wisconsin, Texas, and Ohio. Given that it's clear now we will have a high intensity primary in North Carolina as well it seems like the time is right to make that change here.

Some of Obama's rise from last week can probably be attributed to us calling more folks who do not have a history of voting in primaries- that seems to be a group he has done quite well with so far in this primary season.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2008/03/note-on-todays-poll.html
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nimh
 
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Reply Tue 25 Mar, 2008 06:23 pm
'Bout a week ago I posted:

nimh wrote:
A first sketch using the Google Maps gadget and PhotoShop layers of what the surrounding landscape looks like for the upcoming primaries in IN, KY, WV, PA and NC:

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Seems to confirms the expectation that things will be very hard for Obama in Kentucky and West Virginia.

(Hillary has been the Queen of the Appalachians in these primaries, I've been meaning to link to a great blog post with lots of maps about that for some time now, will get around to it soon).

Hard in Pennsylvania too.

But although prior results of course provide no guarantee for the future (or what is that in English), the map suggests that he has a shot in Indiana, and especially North Carolina should be more do-able.


Here's a fine-tuned version of that map:


http://img409.imageshack.us/img409/9430/googlemapsprimariespl2.png
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2008 11:38 am
If McCain vs. Obama, 28% of Clinton Backers Go for McCain

Gallup 3/26

A sizable proportion of Democrats would vote for John McCain next November if he is matched against the candidate they do not support for the Democratic nomination. This is particularly true for Hillary Clinton supporters, more than a quarter of whom currently say they would vote for McCain if Barack Obama is the Democratic nominee. [...]

Only 59% of Democratic voters who support Clinton say they would vote for Obama against McCain, while 28% say they would vote for the Republican McCain. This suggests that some Clinton supporters are so strongly opposed to Obama (or so loyal to Clinton) that they would go so far as to vote for the "other" party's candidate next November if Obama is the Democratic nominee.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/105691/McCain-vs-Obama-28-Clinton-Backers-McCain.aspx
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2008 01:18 pm
Rasmussen

22% of Democrats want Clinton to drop out; 22% say Obama should withdraw.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 26 Mar, 2008 08:39 pm
Quote:
Republicans Who Won't Vote For McCain

If you agree with me John McCain isn't your choice for president then write in you favorite person as a protest. If there are enough protesting then perhaps the RNC / GOP will wake up and smell the coffee? We are mad as hell and we want action.
http://www.thelandofthefree.net/conservativeopinion/2008/02/13/republicans-who-won%E2%80%99t-vote-for-mccain/
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 06:26 pm
Good news from the Gallup daily tracking poll:

- Obama up 1 to 48%
- Clinton down 2 to 44%
- Makes for a 4-points Obama lead, the largest for him since 13 March, just before the Wright affair broke.

Unfortunate reality check - there's contrasting numbers in the Rasmussen daily tracking poll:

- Clinton up 1 to 46%
- Obama down 1 to 44%

What's the overall upshot of this? The average of the two polls is as stable or stagnant as it has ever been. For the past 13 days, the average has had Clinton at either 45% or 46%. For the past 11 days, the average has had Obama also at either 45% or 46%.

Basically, after bottoming out 4 or 5 points behind Hillary in the aftermath of the March 4 primaries, Obama won some ground up through the Mississippi primaries until it was him with around 5 points ahead, and then lost half of that again when the Wright affair erupted. But his speech has served to "freeze" the numbers at an exact tie between him and Hillary, at around 45% each.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 06:42 pm
Some good news at Pew also:

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=407
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 07:44 pm
Kevin Drum has more about the enduring stasis / stalemate in the daily tracking polls:

Quote:
I don't think people really appreciate the uniqueness of what's going on here: there are two Democratic candidates who are almost precisely tied. They've won nearly equal numbers of delegates; they've won nearly equal portions of the popular vote; and for two nearly two months straight they've polled within three or four points of each other. Two months! All this new information, all the spitballs, all the ads, all the spin, and both candidates have held on to almost precisely the same level of support they had right after Super Tuesday. That's remarkable.

There's no need to make this more complicated than it is. The Democratic Party has two candidates with almost eerily similar levels of support, and that support is deep and strong for both of them.

He's collated a couple of Gallup graphs to show it:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/blogphotos/Blog_Gallup_Obama_Clinton_Feb_March_2008.gif
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 07:56 pm
Kevin Drum is full of ****. For two months or more, Barack Obama has been and has maintained his position of front-runner in this race.

The media just loves to tout how close the race is but it isn't only NOT CLOSE.

It's Over!

Well,OK it's the bottom of the ninth and two out, nobody on and Obama has a ten run lead and Papelbon on the mound!
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 07:59 pm
nimh wrote:
Good news from the Gallup daily tracking poll:

- Obama up 1 to 48%
- Clinton down 2 to 44%
- Makes for a 4-points Obama lead, the largest for him since 13 March, just before the Wright affair broke.

Unfortunate reality check - there's contrasting numbers in the Rasmussen daily tracking poll:

After seeing Scott Rasmussen on Fox a couple tmes, I no longer trust that poll.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 08:05 pm
Check out this running tally of superdelegates: Superdelegate History Tracker

Why is it cool in a way that the dozen other tallies is not? Because it shows the historical progress of the numbers:



http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/8549/superdelhistjt1.png

http://bp2.blogger.com/_qJGvnOCBQcA/R-clm9tyxDI/AAAAAAAAAJg/6zUXFomMd3Y/s400/image001.gif
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 08:06 pm
Roxxxanne wrote:
After seeing Scott Rasmussen on Fox a couple tmes, I no longer trust that poll.

<shrugs> Last week it was the other way round: Rasmussen had Obama up and Gallup had him down.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 08:17 pm
Nimh, she's one of those Obama supporters with blinders over her eyes, and plugs in her ears.

They only let in what she wants to hear/see.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 08:20 pm
A week old, but I'm cleaning out my bookmarks.. Hillary "is essentially in the red" financially, once you deduct her outstanding debts and the money she has on hand but can only spend in the generals.

To be fair, those debts include the $5 million which she lent herself, and of course she doesnt need to pay that back. Even without counting that, though, she's left with just $3 million on hand for the primaries.

Obama on the other hand, by the same measure, has $31 million on hand for the primaries.

Quote:
Clinton's February F.E.C. Filings

Despite a strong month of fund-raising in February in which she brought in $35 million, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton finished the month essentially in the red, once her campaign's outstanding debts are factored in, as well as her personal loan, according to filings submitted late last night to the Federal Election Commission.

After spending about $31 million in her efforts to keep up with Senator Barack Obama, Mrs. Clinton finished February with more than $33 million in cash on hand, but $21.5 million of that is earmarked exclusively for the general election, leaving her with $11.7 million for the primary.

Mrs. Clinton, however, loaned her campaign $5 million earlier this year and she listed $8.7 million in debts to various vendors, making clear why she has not yet paid herself back from her loan.

By way of comparison, Senator Barack Obama, her Democratic opponent, brought in $55 million in February, a record-setting sum, and spent about $43 million, leaving him with $31.6 million in cash on hand available for the primary and $7.3 million set aside for the general. He also did a much better job paying his bills, listing just $625,000 in outstanding debts.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 08:37 pm
Mixed notes on Pennsylvania

Matthew Yglesias reminds us what "Obama's real problem in Pennsylvania" is: it "isn't just its large white working-class contingent, it's all the old people."

"The census ranks this as the nation's second-oldest state, with 15.6 percent of us being 65 or older," he quotes the news report, adding "that's a deadly demographic reality for Obama in this state."

On the positive side of the Pennsylvania ledger, there is a new Rasmussen poll out that has the race closer than it's been for about a month.

Rasmussen
3/24/08

49% Clinton
39% Obama
12% Undecided

May not look good for Obama at first sight, but it's better than a couple of polls that were conducted between 10-16 March, which had Clinton leading Obama by 12 points (Quinnipiac), 16 points (Franklin & Marshall) and 26 points (PPP).

The PPP poll was done on 15-16 March, right when the Wright thing erupted, suggesting that Obama was tanking rapidly. This Rasmussen poll suggests he's recovered well.
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nimh
 
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Reply Thu 27 Mar, 2008 08:54 pm
A reminder on the relativity of opinion polls..

This month, three pollsters have measured how Hillary Clinton would fare in the state of California against John McCain.

According to PPIC, Hillary would win by 3 points.
According to Rasmussen, Hillary would win by 7 points.
According to Survey USA, Hillary would win by 18 points.

Sometimes you cant help thinking you might as well roll the dice.

(Obama would lead by 9, 15 or 14 points, respectively.)
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nappyheadedhohoho
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2008 01:03 pm
California definitely needs more Republicans to move there.

Meanwhile, Americans Irritated and Embarrassed by New Obama Girl Video
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2008 02:44 pm
Something I'm wondering about... the deadline for registering to vote or changing your party affiliation was the 24th. I wonder if the polls are starting to reflect all of the new Democrats in PA.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 28 Mar, 2008 03:12 pm
50-42!

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/032808DailyUpdateGraph1.gif
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