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Answers to your gardening questions (by those in the know!)

 
 
msolga
 
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Fri 15 Jul, 2011 02:13 am
@neko nomad,
I can't believe that advertisement, neko! Shocked

Who in their right mind, with any knowledge of the incredibly invasive habits of this climber, would choose to introduce it to their own garden? Say nothing of introducing it to their entire neighbourhood? Which is what happens. Automatically.

I don't care about how it got here. But I know it's a serious invasive weed. I see it all over the place in my walks around the area.

I think I'll contact my local council & suggest they educate the locals about it & also encourage the council to embark on a eradication program.

roger
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jul, 2011 03:37 am
@neko nomad,
Ohmagawd! Maybe there's a market for tumbleweed (Russian thistle) and Russian knapweed.
msolga
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jul, 2011 03:43 am
@roger,
Maybe if they're pretty enough it doesn't matter, roger?
Neutral
farmerman
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jul, 2011 03:53 am
@msolga,
Quote:
Who in their right mind, with any knowledge of the incredibly invasive habits of this climber, would choose to introduce it to their own garden?
WE have some really ifty govt agencies that get an idea up their asses and nothing can stop them. SOme US Dept Af office decided to plany KUDZU vines in the south US in the 50's and the stuff has grown unchecked all over the south. Its the "Vine that ate the south"
roger
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jul, 2011 04:02 am
@msolga,
Guess you've never seen a mature tumbleweed. You wait another two months till they ripen and I'll send you some seeds. Don't worry about getting caught; they're real small and I'll just slip 'em in with a letter.
msolga
 
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Fri 15 Jul, 2011 04:10 am
@roger,
Do. not. send. seeds.
Repeat:Do. not. send. seeds!

Thank you for your lovely & generous offer, roger.

But this time I will sadly have to say no.

DO NOT SEND THOSE SEEDS or YOU WILL BE VERY SORRY!

OK?
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msolga
 
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Fri 15 Jul, 2011 04:26 am
@farmerman,
Quote:
WE have some really ifty govt agencies that get an idea up their asses and nothing can stop them. SOme US Dept Af office decided to plany KUDZU vines in the south US in the 50's and the stuff has grown unchecked all over the south. Its the "Vine that ate the south"


Well, farmer, I figure that the spread of this weed here is largely the result of ignorance in my part of the globe.

And, from what I have seen of the spread of this horrendous climber locally, I think I can persuade the local council, to at the very least, alert residents of the horrors that could befall them if it spreads.
neko nomad
 
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Fri 15 Jul, 2011 06:31 am
@msolga,
Didn't some do-gooder's introduction of rabbits serve as a classic example of good intentions gone wrong? I heard that one in elementary school.

Like the rabbit, your Vine From Hell is a landscape completer item somewhere. Just be grateful that you don't have

Cucamonga Manroot,or, Wild Cucumber, to deal with.
msolga
 
  1  
Fri 15 Jul, 2011 06:39 am
@neko nomad,
I'm grateful, neko, I'm very grateful!
Shocked
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Butrflynet
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2011 10:04 am
I haven't grown winter squash before and have some questions about what I'm seeing.

I planted delicatta squash seeds and now the plants are full of squash.

Some of them look like this

http://www.foodsubs.com/Photos/delicatasquash.jpg

Others on the same vine look like the above image except that they are a bright orange-yellow without the stripes. Are these just immature ones that will eventually develop the stripes? Or, are the orange ones a different gender than the striped ones? If so, are they edible?

I'm assuming the same goes for these squash as does for pumpkins and watermelons...when the stem dries out, they're ready for harvest. Is this correct?
Butrflynet
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2011 10:12 am
Next set of questions is about the peach tree I planted this spring.

Gardening books say to prune the peach tree in the shape of an upside down umbrella with strong lateral branches to help support the weight of the fruit. Should this be done in the first Spring after planting the sapling or wait til the second year when it has filled out more?

It doesn't look like it is developing any fruit buds this first year. Should I go ahead and give it calcium nitrate this Fall or wait until after it has developed fruit next year and feed it then?

Is it a requirement to use dormant sprays on peach trees in the arid climate of New Mexico or will they be perfectly healthy and fruitful without it?
farmerman
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2011 02:52 pm
@Butrflynet,
Im still at the Ca (NO3)2 information. IS this a preferred soil treatment forpeaches out there?

Usually I prune my fruit trees very severely theyear after planting. Especially if its a spur type producer like some dwarf varieties of peaches. Using a dormant oil is always a good idea I think, unless you have NO insect problem. Do you have instances of any major insect problems out there in the desert?

Also, if you get leaf curl or somother fungal problems, I always mix a copper salt or a commercial mix like Kocide with my dormant oils (paraffin based "Pa "dormant oil). You can use copper sulohate or Kocide which is a bit less organic but its all dome at budding time of year
Butrflynet
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2011 05:13 pm
@farmerman,
It is a bit confusing. Some sites say nitrogen (ammonium sulfate) while others say calcium nitrate. UNM says nitrogen while Jericho nursery doesn't say anything about fertilizing.


This info was found on the University of Alabama website:

http://www.aces.edu/dept/extcomm/specialty/treemaintenance.html

When and what is the recommended fertilization schedule for peaches?

Quote:
Early March application: Broadcast 1 cup of 10-10-10 per year of tree age to a maximum of 10 cups for mature trees.

August application*: Broadcast 1 cup of calcium nitrate or equivalent per year of tree age to a maximum of 4 cups for mature trees. Don't apply until all fruit is harvested.

(* A split application of calcium nitrate or equivalent should be applied during the summer for newly planted trees; 1//2 cup calcium nitrate in early June and again in early August.)


Jericho Nursery in ABQ has on their website a gardening calendar but they don't mention fertilizing of fruit trees at all, only disease and insect control spraying:

Quote:
January
Apply Fertilome Dormant spray to fruit trees, shade trees and shrubs.

February
Prune fruit trees.

June
Continue fruit tree disease and insect control.

July
Treat for bores on trees and fruit trees with spinosad. Cover trunk and base of tree.
Spray fruit trees with Fertilome Fruit Tree Spray to protect developing fruit.
Thin fruit or stake heavy fruit tree branches or fast growing plants before any breakage occurs.

October
Last treatment for stone fruit for peach tree borers.


This publication from the University of NM Extension says:

http://aces.nmsu.edu/pubs/_circulars/circ523.pdf

Quote:
Fertilizers. No fertilizer is needed the first season. In sandy soil, a small amount may be beneficial, if the tree is actively growing. It should be applied once or twice during the season and followed with plenty of water. Never apply fertilizer to dry soil. Irrigate and wait until the next regular irrigation before applying more fertilizer. As the tree grows older, apply more fertilizer. Nitrogen is usually the main element needed. A general rule is to apply 1/8 to 1/4 lb of actual N (about 3/4 to 1-3/4 lb of ammonium sulfate) annually for each year of age or inch of trunk diameter, up to a total of 5 lbs of N per tree. Apply no fertilizer after June 30.


And I found this publication with before and after photos from the University of Virginia Extension that shows how to prune peach trees in the first and second years.

http://pubs.ext.vt.edu/422/422-020/422-020.html

Quote:
The First Summer: Pruning the first-year tree during its first summer can be an effective method of developing the tree frame. Trees should be pruned at least once and possibly two times during the summer before growth ceases. Summer pruning will reduce the amount of dormant pruning required the first winter and will direct growth into the desirable scaffold branches. During May and again in July, low shoots on the trunk should be removed to a height of 20 inches. All shoots that form angles of less than 45 degrees with the trunk should be removed. Vertical shoots that are unacceptable as scaffold branches should be removed. A spreading growth habit can be encouraged by pinching upright-growing shoots back to an outward growing bud or secondary shoot. Pinching is actually a type of bench cut. Pinching should be done in late June and/or July while shoots are actively growing.

There is a new method of pruning first-year trees that seems very promising. Do not remove the top few shoots with poor crotches. Instead, head the top several shoots by half in early June. Growth of the headed shoots is suppressed and growth of the lower shoots that have wide crotches is encouraged. The small "bush" in the tree center is removed during the winter.

The First Winter: At the end of the first season, some trees will have many desirable limbs, and others will have limbs on only one side or may have vertical growth habits and upright leaders. The first winter is the most critical time to select branches that will develop into a strong framework capable of carrying heavy crops in the future.

If trees were pruned during their first summer, very little pruning will be needed during their first winter. The trees should begin to resemble an open-vase. Remove branches on the trunk below the 20-inch height. Remove branches that form angles of less than 45 degrees with the trunk. Branches with narrow crotches are weak because bark extends into the crotch, and branches may split from the trunk. Narrow crotches are also susceptible to winter injury, cytospora canker, and borers. Unless they form a strong, wide crotch, remove 1 of any 2 limbs of equal size that tend to divide the tree and form a Y (Figure 7).

Since all peach trees do not grow alike, there are at least two basic methods of developing an open-center tree that has a strong framework, and they seem to be equally effective. The most common method involves selecting 3 primary branches with wide crotch angles and that are spaced evenly around the trunk. Some trees will not have 3 acceptable limbs at the end of the first season, but excellent trees can be developed with only 2 main branches. Sometimes, 4 to 6 desirable limbs will grow at one point on the trunk. It is best to remove all but 3 of these branches because there will eventually be 3 dominant limbs and the others will be squeezed out.

Another method of developing an open center form is to head the tree at 3 to 4 feet at planting; this is often preferable with the larger nursery trees. Select 3 to 5 limbs that are distributed evenly on the trunk and spaced 4 to 6 inches apart vertically. After the first year's growth, peach trees with 3 main branches at 24 to 30 inches above ground look quite different from those that have 4 or 5 main limbs extending to 4 feet. However, as these trees grow for several years and are trained to the open-center, they will appear much more uniform.

Avoid horizontal limbs on young trees because they will bend downward with the weight of a crop and will eventually need to be removed to allow equipment to move under the tree. Watersprouts (upright shoots developing along the upper side of a branch) will also arise along the top of a horizontal limb. An angle of 40 to 50 degrees from the vertical is most desirable. Remove root suckers, downward growing shoots, and strong vertical shoots that shade the tree center. Keep the tree balanced by shortening the strongest branch. Retain as much of the tree as possible, including the smaller side shoots growing from the selected main branches. Head the scaffold limbs above an outward-growing secondary shoot to encourage a spreading growth habit.

Sometimes a tree will produce a strong shoot from the soil line and the rest of the tree is weak or dead. If the shoot originates below the bud union, it is the rootstock and the tree should be replaced. If it develops from above the bud union, it should be pruned to a strong shoot. Secondary limbs with wide crotches developing at the appropriate height on these shoots can be selected as scaffold limbs.

The Second Summer: Although it is not necessary, it is highly desirable to prune trees during the second summer to improve light penetration into the tree center. Shoots developing on the trunk below the scaffold branches should be removed in June. Remove vigorous upright shoots developing near the tree center. By late June, when secondary shoots develop on terminal shoots, the upright portion of the terminal shoot can be pinched just above an outward growing secondary shoot. This will encourage the spreading growth of the tree and direct growth into the desired secondary shoot. Summer pruning should be completed by early July.

The Second Winter: Peach trees that have grown well for two years may be 5 to 7 feet tall, 6 to 8 feet wide, and have trunks 3 to 6 inches in diameter. Such trees will also have numerous flower buds, and, if pruned moderately, may produce 20 to 40 pounds of fruit during the third summer. Excessive pruning will reduce yield the third summer.

Each tree should have 2 or more well-spaced, scaffold branches with wide crotch angles. If this is not the case, try to select appropriate scaffold branches and remove all others. Remove all large watersprouts that tend to grow through the tree center. Scaffolds that have made less than 30 inches of growth and have several side branches should be pruned to leave 2 or 3 well-spaced side branches. Shoots developing on the lower sides of scaffold limbs should be removed. If these shoots fruit, the extra weight will pull the scaffolds down so that they interfere with herbicide application. Retain most of the other one-year growth throughout the tree.

Sometimes 2 shoots of equal size will develop near the end of a scaffold branch and will form a V crotch. Such crotches are weak, and one shoot should be eliminated. The terminal ends of scaffold branches often grow upright. In the event that a scaffold develops a vertical orientation near its tip, it may be turned out by pruning to an outward growing secondary shoot. This type of bench cut is preferably performed during the summer but can be performed during the winter.
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farmerman
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2011 07:53 pm
Rule of thumb in pruning is to keep tree crotch wood from being too steep of an angle as the branches oppose each other (They will split some year and kill the tree) Keep primary brances facing out and down and keep the center pof the tree a bit open.

Calcium v Ammonium Nitrate will give about the same soil pH but youll get more Nitrogen with Ammonium Nitrate.

I have no idea what those pwsticides are. Ive never used em and Ive always had nice peches (I remove most of the peaches from the spurs as they are developing since a spur can give a max of two decent peaches and theyll produce up to 6 if you let em and these get all nasty and small.


I use tree tanglefoot to control borers cause they crawl up the trunk to "get in" The tanglefoot ois a mix of tar and creosote and it works pretty good but I dont need it excepton one , maybe two trees tops.

Importantly is to make a happy place for the pollinators and mix your peacghes to cross pollinate
Butrflynet
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2011 08:19 pm
@farmerman,
Quote:
Importantly is to make a happy place for the pollinators and mix your peacghes to cross pollinate


Two of our backyard neighbors also have peach trees so I figure that should give my tree some good opportunities for cross pollinating.

The bees and butterflies love our yard. There is always a large swarm of them on the Russian sage and Spanish broom that surrounds the house on the hot sunny side, and there are all the tomato plants, lilies, herbs, marigolds and roses throughout the rest of the backyard. The bees have quite a smorgasbord of pollen sources to choose from.



So, should I do the nitrogen fertilizing this first Autumn or wait until next year?
roger
 
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Wed 20 Jul, 2011 09:18 pm
@Butrflynet,
My very general rule for planting trees in New Mexico is that it is impossible to over water them. Unless they're too big to reach, I'll even spray down the folage every few days in hot, sunny weather. I would also avoid fertilizer with nitrogen. It can get the poor thing demanding more water than the dinky, little roots can supply.

If you're going to fertilize at all this year, I would wait till cool weather is definately here.
laughoutlood
 
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Thu 21 Jul, 2011 12:15 am
@roger,
Goodness me, this is definitely serious NPK on this thread.

I'm glad we all enjoy the garden.
roger
 
  1  
Thu 21 Jul, 2011 12:21 am
@laughoutlood,
Didn't understand that, but it sure sounded good.
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Butrflynet
 
  1  
Thu 21 Jul, 2011 01:46 pm
@Butrflynet,
Here are some photos of the actual squash I was asking about in this post. Both of these are from the same vine.

This is what the plant looks like:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-1yYzwZssieA/TiiADi5EOOI/AAAAAAAABuo/1L5Gk7N6dhw/s512/PDR_0241.JPG


This is the delicatta squash I intended to get from it. Still don't know how to tell when it is ready for harvest.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-7K0OMvaCPys/TiiADfZvdJI/AAAAAAAABuk/e7di9Dk2qvk/s640/PDR_0243.JPG

And this is the bright orange-yellow oddball growing with it. Is this the male version of the same squash? If so, is it edible too?

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-U8oF58E85to/TiiADSIb9tI/AAAAAAAABug/HcYw8tZU-ec/s640/PDR_0244.JPG
farmerman
 
  1  
Thu 21 Jul, 2011 03:12 pm
@Butrflynet,
I want aware that squash can have "Male" fruits. Usually fruits contain the seeds.

 

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