Walter - What is the english translation of "Weihnachten?"
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Diest TKO wrote:Walter - What is the english translation of "Weihnachten?"
'Night of the consecration' = the night is consecrated because Jesus was born then.
Walter Hinteler wrote:And we had four days of festivities at Christmas in the Middle Ages [they needed such after the period of strong Lent before :wink: ] instead of th two holidays nowadays.])
We call this period "Advent" and use "Lent" for the preparation for Easter.
Advent originally is (was) a lent (period of fasting), too.
(My problem seems to be that 'fasten' is used in German for both.)
mesquite wrote:snood wrote:I think Intrepid has tried to agree to disagree with you several times, and I think you deign to trade gotcha comments.
Like you snood, I tend to call them as I see them.
I was asking you about a video that both Intrepid and baddog had provided links to on this thread. If you have been following this thread and seen the lyrics I posted, then you know what I think of it. Foxfyre thinks it's OK
Sorry mesquite for missing your question. I agree with Foxfyre.
I sorta thought you would baddog. It was Intrepid's take that surprised me. From our past interactions I had thought that he approved of secular government and disapproved of disparaging others on religious grounds.
In my book there is a major difference between promoting one's favorite greeting and rudely knocking others attempts at civility which is what the video promoted.
mesquite wrote:I sorta thought you would baddog. It was Intrepid's take that surprised me. From our past interactions I had thought that he approved of secular government and disapproved of disparaging others on religious grounds.
In my book there is a major difference between promoting one's favorite greeting and rudely knocking others attempts at civility which is what the video promoted.
No, the video didn't promote uncivility at all. The video featured a song that many of us agree with. The guys were neither pushy nor critical nor rude in the video with the exception of one initial joke (in one version) that could be said to be in borderline poor taste but was clearly intended to be humor.
To me, accusing people who are singing a song with a message as promoting uncivility is well, uncivil.
mesquite wrote:I sorta thought you would baddog. It was Intrepid's take that surprised me. From our past interactions I had thought that he approved of secular government and disapproved of disparaging others on religious grounds.
In my book there is a major difference between promoting one's favorite greeting and rudely knocking others attempts at civility which is what the video promoted.
No, the video didn't promote uncivility at all. The video featured a song that many of us agree with. The guys were neither pushy nor critical nor rude in the video with the exception of one initial joke (in one version) that could be said to be in borderline poor taste but was clearly intended to be humor.
To me, accusing people who are singing a song with a message that you don't happen to agree with to be uncivil is well, uncivil.
Foxfyre wrote:No, the video didn't promote uncivility at all. The video featured a song that many of us agree with. The guys were neither pushy nor critical nor rude in the video with the exception of one initial joke (in one version) that could be said to be in borderline poor taste but was clearly intended to be humor.
To me, accusing people who are singing a song with a message that you don't happen to agree with to be uncivil is well, uncivil.
That you agree with the song does not alter the fact that it is absolutely rude throughout. This is an edited video not a live performance and everything in it was intentionally put there for effect including the opening lines of wishing merry Christmas to Mr. Lowenstein and the laughter that it produced.
Intermixed with the song is inflammatory stroking such as
Let me tell you something if you think you are going to stop me from saying it because it offends you I got a flash for you. PUT A HELMET ON!!, even though the lyrics to the song do just that in reverse (try to stop the counter lady from saying "happy holidays" be cause it offends him). And this
they don't want to say Christmas because it's got Christ in it and after 2000 years he is still intimidating people Yeah, right.
The simple answer to this song that says, "It's called Christmas", is to say yes, it is called Christmas, IF someone is talking about Christmas. But if someone is not talking about Christmas, then it's not called Christmas. And if someone is referring to multiple holidays at once (like christmas and new year), then collectively calling them Holidays is simply the best way to say it.
The other day I was on the phone with a business associate, and (with this thread ringing in my mind) I wished him a merry christmas. There was silence on the line, so I quickly added "unless you don't celebrate christmas, in which case, happy holidays". He said, "Yeh, we're jewish, so we don't do christmas, but merry christmas to you". So while thinking, "I don't celebrate christmas either because it has no religious significance to me", I simply added, "and Happy New Year", and he said, "Yeh, that too.". What a mess. How I wish I had just said Happy Holidays (like I usually do) and avoided the whole conversational fiasco.
From now on, unless I want to wish someone a specific wish, I'm sticking with Happy Holidays. It allows me to cover all holidays including new year, with one wish. And the only people it seems to offend are people who are already so self-righteous about their own religion that they need to have it paraded around in front of everyone.
the son of one of our friends married a good jewish girl .
they have two boys and both grandparents make sure that the kids don't ever miss out on any of the holidays ; so they have hanuka , christmas , new year , easter ... the boys certainly haven't complained yet !
HAVE A HAPPY ONE !
AND MAY PEACE BE WITH YOU !
MAZEL TOV !
hbg
mesquite wrote:I sorta thought you would baddog. It was Intrepid's take that surprised me. From our past interactions I had thought that he approved of secular government and disapproved of disparaging others on religious grounds.
In my book there is a major difference between promoting one's favorite greeting and rudely knocking others attempts at civility which is what the video promoted.
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do disapprove of disparaging others on religious grounds.
Intrepid wrote:mesquite wrote:I sorta thought you would baddog. It was Intrepid's take that surprised me. From our past interactions I had thought that he approved of secular government and disapproved of disparaging others on religious grounds.
In my book there is a major difference between promoting one's favorite greeting and rudely knocking others attempts at civility which is what the video promoted.
I
do disapprove of disparaging others on religious grounds.
I believe most people of faith disapprove of disparaging others on religious grounds. Fortunately most of us also don't get our nose bent out of shape over a song with religious content, and we can enjoy it and agree with it or disagree with it without turning it into a big deal politically correct or social issue.
Foxfyre wrote:Intrepid wrote:mesquite wrote:I sorta thought you would baddog. It was Intrepid's take that surprised me. From our past interactions I had thought that he approved of secular government and disapproved of disparaging others on religious grounds.
In my book there is a major difference between promoting one's favorite greeting and rudely knocking others attempts at civility which is what the video promoted.
I
do disapprove of disparaging others on religious grounds.
I believe most people of faith disapprove of disparaging others on religious grounds. Fortunately most of us also don't get our nose bent out of shape over a song with religious content, and we can enjoy it and agree with it or disagree with it without turning it into a big deal politically correct or social issue.
I call BS. Plenty of religious people "get bent out of shape" over a retailer using "Happy Holidays."
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Foxfyre wrote:Intrepid wrote:mesquite wrote:I sorta thought you would baddog. It was Intrepid's take that surprised me. From our past interactions I had thought that he approved of secular government and disapproved of disparaging others on religious grounds.
In my book there is a major difference between promoting one's favorite greeting and rudely knocking others attempts at civility which is what the video promoted.
I
do disapprove of disparaging others on religious grounds.
I believe most people of faith disapprove of disparaging others on religious grounds. Fortunately most of us also don't get our nose bent out of shape over a song with religious content, and we can enjoy it and agree with it or disagree with it without turning it into a big deal politically correct or social issue.
I certainly see what you mean. Some just can't let things go and continue to bash at every opportunity, regardless of what has already been discussed. Maybe a little religion would do them good. :wink: But, of course, that would be up to them to make their own decision...
You know what I see, though?
Every year, someone complaining about "political correctness" gone mad. Around this time of year, I have to put up with people saying "Merry Christmas" over and over again, but the moment someone says "Happy Holidays" people start complaining and whining, and getting very angry.
Outside of people that I know are ok with any well wishing no matter how incorrectly it may come out of my mouth, I've become rather taken with
"Have a good one!"
"One" can be anything they want it to be.
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:You know what I see, though?
Every year, someone complaining about "political correctness" gone mad. Around this time of year, I have to put up with people saying "Merry Christmas" over and over again, but the moment someone says "Happy Holidays" people start complaining and whining, and getting very angry.
Yes, political correctness has, indeed, gone mad. Not just at this time of year, but every day of the year in every sector of society. Gone are the simple, tolerant days of old.
I think that everyone should be able to greet as they see fit given their comfort level. I just don't think that one greeting should be replaced by another just because there is a segment of society that does not embrace a particular holiday in the spirit that it began.
People have no problem celebrating, in this case, Christmas but don't use the words Merry Christmas because it may offend them.
Intrepid wrote:Yes, political correctness has, indeed, gone mad. Not just at this time of year, but every day of the year in every sector of society. Gone are the simple, tolerant days of old.
Gone are the days of widespread religious and social uniformity throughout large swaths of the country. And along with this high tech communication is mixing segments of the society on a global level.
Perhaps Political Correctness is driven by a natural linguistic requirement to express ideas across a broader range of listeners. Happy Holidays is a good example. If you don't know the beliefs of who you are talking to and you want to cover the broadest range, it's a logical linguistic change to make.
