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Fri 7 Dec, 2007 11:16 pm
Happy Holidays. I love the way Christians always play like they're the underdog getting persecuted, but then say it's a Christian nation like it's the status quo too. Overfed self-assured whiners-to the lions I say!
Interesting thoughts, hanno.
I go with merry Christmas, in spite of, well. . . . Anyway, if someone wishes me a Merry Christmas, I'm not coming back with Happy Hanuka, or happy holidays.
hanno wrote:Happy Holidays. I love the way Christians always play like they're the underdog getting persecuted, but then say it's a Christian nation like it's the status quo too. Overfed self-assured whiners-to the lions I say!
No persecution implied. Fortunately, lions are fed a nice diet in the zoos in North America.
Did you like the catchy tune?
Do you celebrate Christmas? :wink:
I'm absolutely sick and tired of people whining about "political correctness gone mad" and a so-called "War on Christmas".
The entire situation is very close to what was referred to in the Japanese TV series,
Ghost in Shell as a
Stand Alone Complex. It's a situation where unrelated, yet very similar actions of individuals create a seemingly concerted effort.
For example, the infamous Birmingham incident where some Bishop took to offence at a
secular event designed with a commercial aspect in mind. The media took the Bishop's complaint and blew it out of all proportion.
If someone wants to wish you Happy Holidays because they're not entirely sure which holiday you celebrate, let them. Christmas isn't the only holiday at this time of the year.
And it's only natural for people to feel a bit iffy about wishing someone a Merry Christmas if there's religious people out there trying their best to emphasise the Christian aspect of the holiday... like
these guys and
these guys.
Wolf_ODonnell wrote:If someone wants to wish you Happy Holidays because they're not entirely sure which holiday you celebrate, let them. Christmas isn't the only holiday at this time of the year.
Absolutely. I just finished celebrating Diwali with one group of friends.
Right now it is Hanukah.
It is not Christmas yet. I'm not saying Merry Christmas to anyone right now.
If I know what someone is celebrating, I'll use the appropriate greeting at the appropriate time.
If I'm not sure, I say that I hope they are enjoying the holiday season.
What a bunch of self-righteous as*holes those guys are.
Put Christ in Christmas and kick everyone else out of the month of December?
What happened to "many mansions"?
Re: Happy Holidays or Merry Christmas?
I was listening to it here:
http://www.able2know.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2974098#2974098
I agree with the song and I am not religious.
as ehebeth said, its great to enjoy everyones holidays. My Sidharji and Hindu friends celebrate a holiday about every 5 days. "Hindus are the original party animals" as a friend said. We had a lattke dinner the other night with some really good lattke making people.
Since Christmas has become so central a holiday (at least since the late 19th century), the pressure has been on other cultures to bring their holidays "up to a similar level". Just as Hannukah was really a minor holiday , it , like Christmas is beginning to get out of hand. I always liked Hannukah whenever some friends asked us to celebrate with them. This year, however, the spirit of the holiday seems to be changing in that the kids have this expectation of Wii games and expensive presents to match the spending orgy that Christmas demands.
Cant we get back to a time when the Christian music composers were more interested in less defensive seasonal music?
I for one, dont give a **** what we are celebrating, just so long as it
1Is family oriented
2Is relatively stress free
3Isnt an artifical creation of some marketing guru.
Christmas has been subverted by phoney market forces for many years now. So , by wishing a Merry Christmas, it is,now , more of a mere commercial, a tag line, than some honest celebratory exclamation.
Merry Christmas!, Only 20 days left!, Buy Love for your family!
If those musicians were more serious, they wouldnt have the one guy with a santa hat, and some of this Christian praise music is really lame.
I respect other peoples' religions, and how they feel about it, but to say that your religion is the only one during this time of year, and the only one that " makes people do what they do" is rude, arrogant and self centered.
Christianity was NOT the first religion to have a holiday during the winter time. In fact, it wasn't the first to choose the end of December for its time either. It plopped down right on top of other existing religions claiming to be the one and only.
Talk about rude.
Then people of that same religion began killing those who were not part of it in an effort to ' cleanse the land and minds' . But now , that kind of behavior is not ok, and people don't kill each other so publicly ( at least in a few countries) any more. So they just make ads that minimize, insult and force their beliefs over others.
Now, they expect people to acknowledge it and cherish it simply because someone comes in contact with one of its members? Christians don't acknowledge Jewish holidays by going out of their way to wish a Jewish person Happy hanukkah, or Muslim holidays, or even some Catholic holidays.... yet they get angry if random people who have no clue what religion they are,don't acknowledge THEIR holiday.
Are we having an elitist moment here..?
They make fun of other religions and try to say that theirs is " the only reason for the season".
That mindset is so pompous and arrogant it isn't even funny.
For a religion that is supposed to be about tolerance, love and equality why are they attempting to steam roll everyone else to say that it is all about -christ-mas and no one else? People do not have to acknowledge your religion. And expecting people to is again, arrogant and self centered.
Each individual person has a different set of beliefs. You can even pick two christians, put them side by side and you will find differences. As humans we should respect each other as whole people, and not judge each other as religious guidelines. Its insane how people use their religion to define themselves and not their actions, words, intentions or thoughts. It is sad really.
happy holidays?
I think that is the most appropriate statement of the year.
I was gonna answer when I saw the title but Wolf_ODonnell, ehBeth, and farmerman beat me to the good stuff.
Happy Holidays one and all!
Uh, anyone who takes offense at someone saying "Happy Holidays" is certainly getting taken off my Christmas list. But at the same time, if you are of another faith and someone says "Merry Christmas," you should probably take that in stride too. All in all, everyone should just get offended by things less, and everything would probably work out better.
Noddy24 wrote:Put Christ in Christmas and kick everyone else out of the month of December?
What happened to "many mansions"?
No, No. Never kick anyone else out. At least that is what I think. I am not saying that Merry Christmas should replace everything else. I am saying that everything else should not replace Christmas.
Nobody complains about saying Happy Hanakuh or wishing a Happy Diwali, but it becomes somehow offensive to wish Merry Christmas.
I agree that Christmas has become a big commercial money grabbing buy me more toys sort of holiday. It really should be more a time of love and harmony. And, as Farmerman said... time for family, friends etc. without the stresses of the world.
People can say Happy Holidays and I do not find offense with that at all. I only find offense when I am told I cannot say Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas!
I really didn't like the clip, but then I don't feel like I can't say Merry Christmas, either, when I think it's appropriate.
There certainly was a time when I would chirp it out to anybody and everybody
but I try not to do that now.
It's a conscious decision
not because of a perceived attack on Christmas, or Christians, but because there are many, many people who don't celebrate for many reasons, not all of them religious, and, I'd prefer to be more
thoughtful, in my casual encounters.
Now, I don't mean to imply that you aren't thoughtful, Intrepid, it's just that for me, my sing-song parroting of "Merry Christmas!" at all and sundry, no matter what their circumstances, and even if I simply mean it as an expression of good will, has become
obnoxious
no, not that exactly
has become
mindless
Now, I'm choosing my words carefully, here:
Merry Christmas, Intrepid.
Intrepid wrote:
I only find offense when I am told I cannot say Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas!
so that was the point of the thread.
boy, did I miss that one..
I did not watch the video, and I bounced into this thread after having a discussion with my friend about how she thinks it is wrong for people to NOT say merry christmas and that it is an offence to christians to say ANYTHING other then merry christmas.
I really missed the ball on this discussion
Im sorry.
shewolfnm wrote:I respect other peoples' religions, and how they feel about it, but to say that your religion is the only one during this time of year, and the only one that " makes people do what they do" is rude, arrogant and self centered.
Christianity was NOT the first religion to have a holiday during the winter time. In fact, it wasn't the first to choose the end of December for its time either. It plopped down right on top of other existing religions claiming to be the one and only.
Talk about rude.
Then people of that same religion began killing those who were not part of it in an effort to ' cleanse the land and minds' . But now , that kind of behavior is not ok, and people don't kill each other so publicly ( at least in a few countries) any more. So they just make ads that minimize, insult and force their beliefs over others.
Now, they expect people to acknowledge it and cherish it simply because someone comes in contact with one of its members? Christians don't acknowledge Jewish holidays by going out of their way to wish a Jewish person Happy hanukkah, or Muslim holidays, or even some Catholic holidays.... yet they get angry if random people who have no clue what religion they are,don't acknowledge THEIR holiday.
Are we having an elitist moment here..?
They make fun of other religions and try to say that theirs is " the only reason for the season".
That mindset is so pompous and arrogant it isn't even funny.
For a religion that is supposed to be about tolerance, love and equality why are they attempting to steam roll everyone else to say that it is all about -christ-mas and no one else? People do not have to acknowledge your religion. And expecting people to is again, arrogant and self centered.
Each individual person has a different set of beliefs. You can even pick two christians, put them side by side and you will find differences. As humans we should respect each other as whole people, and not judge each other as religious guidelines. Its insane how people use their religion to define themselves and not their actions, words, intentions or thoughts. It is sad really.
happy holidays?
I think that is the most appropriate statement of the year.
I'm giving you a standing ovation!!!!!!
Joeblow wrote:
There certainly was a time when I would chirp it out to anybody and everybody
but I try not to do that now.
Actually, I am more mindful of who I say it to as well.
Quote:
Now, I don't mean to imply that you aren't thoughtful, Intrepid, it's just that for me, my sing-song parroting of "Merry Christmas!" at all and sundry, no matter what their circumstances, and even if I simply mean it as an expression of good will, has become
obnoxious
no, not that exactly
has become
mindless
I know what you mean. If it is obvious that someone may not celebrate Christmas as such, I try not to make them, or me, feel uncomfortable and I use another term.
Perhaps the video went a little further than my own perspective.
Quote:Now, I'm choosing my words carefully, here:
Merry Christmas, Intrepid.
Merry Christmas, Joe
shewolfnm wrote:Intrepid wrote:
I only find offense when I am told I cannot say Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas!
so that was the point of the thread.
boy, did I miss that one..
I did not watch the video, and I bounced into this thread after having a discussion with my friend about how she thinks it is wrong for people to NOT say merry christmas and that it is an offence to christians to say ANYTHING other then merry christmas.
I really missed the ball on this discussion
Im sorry.
That's ok Shewolf. I figured that was the case by your first post.
Happy Holidays.
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