What should be done about illegal immigration? (II)

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One-third of Americans want to deny social services, including public schooling and emergency room healthcare, to illegal immigrants, a Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll has found.

Still, in a sign of ambivalence among voters about the emotionally charged issue, a strong bipartisan majority -- 60% -- favors allowing illegal immigrants who have not committed crimes to become citizens if they pay fines, learn English and meet other requirements.

Source: LA Times: 1 in 3 would deny illegal immigrants social services

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Source: LA Times, 06.12.07, page A 22

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Any decision regarding the disposition of illegal's now in country would be fruitless until the borders are made secure. It would be tantamount to trying to fill a glass full of a glass with a hole in it's bottom by continuing to pour water in the top.

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I don't believe the problem is with the undocumented immigrants being here. I believe the problem is we don't know where everyone is, who is in the U.S., including native born citizens.

In effect, I'd open up the gates, like pre-1924. Also, give the Statue of Liberty a cleaning for the new arrivals.

In other words, technology would be needed to identify us all in some way, and then have the technology to track everyone. That would allow the government to know who may be a potential problem.

This could likely be done by eye scanning everyone in most places we go.

Anyway, I believe the benefit to this is to have the U.S. become wealthy in genetic diversity. Why you ask? Because, when the day arrives that another Black Death scourges the planet, the country with the greatest genetic diversity will have the most survivors. As we all know amongst breeds of dogs, pedigreed dogs have the most illnesses, and aside from physical strength have many inbred degenerative diseases.

If urban centers can have 10 million people, then rural America can have many more people. It might be time to discard the old mythology of having room for the buffalo to roam.

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Sure! We can embed computer chips in everyone in the U.S. and then the government will know where everyone of us are every minute. The ultimate governmental control. That should make Bush and Cheney happy as clams.

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rabel22 wrote:

Sure! We can embed computer chips in everyone in the U.S. and then the government will know where everyone of us are every minute. The ultimate governmental control. That should make Bush and Cheney happy as clams.

I like the chip idea. Perhaps it can be incorporated into the circumcision surgery of many infant males. A "chipcision" if you will. For those male babies not being circumcised, the chip may have to be included as part of one's pre-school vaccinations. I like the "chipcision" thought, since it can be melded with the Jewish concept of the circumcision reflecting a Covenant with God. This could be a Convenant with the All Seeing Computer, or some such title. It could be very popular with those of a more secular bent.

Girl babies may not need this done, since, like the draft, they would be exempt. I see no reason to track females.

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In preparing its analysis, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reviewed 29 reports published over the past 15 years that attempted to evaluate the impact of unauthorized immigrants on the budgets of state and local governments. (See the bibliography for a complete list of those reports.) CBO did not assess the data underlying those estimates or the validity of the models used to prepare them. The estimates ?- whether from formal studies, analyses of data on particular topics, or less-formal inquiry ?- show considerable consensus regarding the overall impact of unauthorized immigrants on state and local budgets. However, the scope and analytical methods of the studies vary, and the reports do not provide detailed or consistent enough data to allow for a reliable assessment of the aggregate national effect of unauthorized immigrants on state and local budgets. After reviewing the estimates, CBO drew the following conclusions:

+ State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or minimizing those costs.

+ The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents a small percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions.

+ The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants.

+ Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover the costs incurred by those governments.

Source: Congressional Budget Office: The Impact of Unauthorized Immigrants on the Budgets of State and Local Governments

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Where's Advocate when you need him? Laughing

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Walter Hinteler wrote:

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In preparing its analysis, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) reviewed 29 reports published over the past 15 years that attempted to evaluate the impact of unauthorized immigrants on the budgets of state and local governments. (See the bibliography for a complete list of those reports.) CBO did not assess the data underlying those estimates or the validity of the models used to prepare them. The estimates ?- whether from formal studies, analyses of data on particular topics, or less-formal inquiry ?- show considerable consensus regarding the overall impact of unauthorized immigrants on state and local budgets. However, the scope and analytical methods of the studies vary, and the reports do not provide detailed or consistent enough data to allow for a reliable assessment of the aggregate national effect of unauthorized immigrants on state and local budgets. After reviewing the estimates, CBO drew the following conclusions:

+ State and local governments incur costs for providing services to unauthorized immigrants and have limited options for avoiding or minimizing those costs.

+ The amount that state and local governments spend on services for unauthorized immigrants represents a small percentage of the total amount spent by those governments to provide such services to residents in their jurisdictions.

+ The tax revenues that unauthorized immigrants generate for state and local governments do not offset the total cost of services provided to those immigrants.

+ Federal aid programs offer resources to state and local governments that provide services to unauthorized immigrants, but those funds do not fully cover the costs incurred by those governments.

Source: Congressional Budget Office: The Impact of Unauthorized Immigrants on the Budgets of State and Local Governments

The other side of the coin is that these undocumented immigrants allow many citizens to enjoy a more functioning infrastructure, since so many of these immigrants work in the food industry and retail food stores, or other functions that are not high paid, and labor intensive. They work, and work, and work.

If all these immigrants left the U.S. tomorrow, and the cost to state and local governments suddenly disappeared, I am not naive enough to think any government would lower its taxes, or give a rebate to its citizens.

The reason that unlimited immigration ended in 1924, I thought, was a pro-nativist attitude that was gaining popularity. The U.S. has so much empty space, especially compared to Europe, I just think it's foolish to not fill the country up with people. But then again, not everyone likes a little competition in the marketplace or the educational system. Oops, I don't want to make this post like the Kings New Suit of Clothes.

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Jesus , one among the many, shaper and maker of USA is according to the approved tabloid like bible is a recent immigrant.
Oh God if there is one
Save my soul if i have one

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Arizona and the new immigration law passing the 1st of the year (The Big One)

You hire illegal immigrants, we close your business

http://www.azca.com/html/pdf/hb2779c.pdf

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/1206cr-daylaborbiz1207.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16727312

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From the Washington Post

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In its announced clampdown on companies that hire illegal workers, the federal government has arrested nearly four times as many people in the past year as it did two years ago, but only a tiny fraction of those arrests involved criminal charges against those who hired the workers, according to a year-end tally prepared by the Department of Homeland Security.

Fewer than 100 owners, supervisors or hiring officials were arrested in fiscal 2007, compared with nearly 4,900 arrests that involved illegal workers, providers of fake documents and others, the figures show. Immigration experts say the data illustrate the Bush administration's limited success at delivering on its rhetoric about stopping illegal hiring by corporate employers.

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This from an email I received today from American Apparel:

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"America's immigration system is outdated, unsuited to the needs of our economy and to the values of our country. We should not be content with laws that punish hardworking people who want only to provide for their families, and deny businesses willing workers, and invite chaos at our border." - President George Bush, State of the Union Address, February 5, 2005

At American Apparel, we agreed with the President's call for immigration reform, so why has nothing been done for the last three years?

It's time to give a voice to the voiceless. Businesses are afraid to speak to the media about immigration, frightened of reprisals by government agencies. But we cannot just sit in the shadows and watch the government and politicians exploit and misrepresent this matter to advance their own careers.

Over 12 million human beings have become integral to our society, economy and culture here in the USA, yet they do so in legal purgatory. While no serious political voice calls to send them back to their previous home countries, very few have the courage to admit that the only realistic option is some form of legal integration, coupled with a legitimate, forward-thinking immigration policy.

Migration and economic experts generally agree that the productivity and hard work of immigrants improves the economy, makes goods more affordable and available to US citizens, and created more jobs for US workers. Immigrants not only increase the wealth of the nation, they have contributed significantly to major scientific, medical and industrial advancements, as well as to the arts. Many of them have become great entrepreneurs too.

At what point are we going to recognize that the status quo amounts to an apartheid system? At what point will America stop living in a state of denial?

At American Apparel we support our workers. We support our community. We support Los Angeles. We support the pride of America and the American Dream.

Enough is enough.

It's time to Legalize LA, and Legalize the USA.

American Apparel Inc. 747 Warehouse St. Los Angeles, CA Made in Downtown LA

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InfraBlue wrote:

At what point are we going to recognize that the status quo amounts to an apartheid system? At what point will America stop living in a state of denial?

Nice.

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