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Republicans Take Off the Gloves in You-Tube Debate

 
 
Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 01:13 am
Wow! It was highly charged, well worth watching if you didn't see it. McCain got booed by Ron Paul's people, then Paul got booed by McCain's people.

Paul was riveting. Even though I disagree with 90% of his positions, I would vote for Ron Paul in a heartbeat based on his character.

McCain told Paul his policies allow people like Hitler to come into power!
McCain intends to continue the "surge" indefinitely. This guy is clueless. (He also argues that we should have never left Vietnam!)
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revel
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 07:09 am
I know what you mean regarding Ron Paul; I disagree with most of his positions but when it comes to Iraq; he seems to be right on the target. He starts getting a little confused when he went on though. He seemed to mix AQ Saudi Arabia/911 and insurgents in Iraq together when they are not. But maybe he just didn't get it all out right. Its hard to answer complicated answers in those short time slots. He may have meant like the insurgents in Iraq resent our presence and can do better if they have their country back; those in Saudi Arabia resent our presence on our bases over there. (which I don't understand why we are supporting Saudi Arabia with their record on how they treat dissenters and women but that's another issue.)

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Paul: The best commitment we can make to the Iraqi people is to give them their country back. That's the most important thing that we can do.

(Applause)

Already, part of their country has been taken back. In the south, they claim the surge has worked, but the surge really hasn't worked. There's less violence, but al-Sadr has essentially won in the south.

The British are leaving. The brigade of Al Sadr now is in charge, so they are getting their country back. They're in charge up north -- the Shia -- the people in the north are in charge, as well, and there's no violence up there or nearly as much.

So, let the people have their country back again. Just think of the cleaning up of the mess after we left Vietnam. Vietnam now is a friend of ours -- we trade with them, the president comes here.

What we achieved in peace was unachievable in 20 years of the French and the Americans being in Vietnam.

So it's time for us to take care of America first.

(Applause)

Cooper: Senator McCain?

McCain: Well, let me remind you, Congressman, we never lost a battle in Vietnam. It was American public opinion that forced us to lost that conflict.

(Applause)

I think it's important for all Americans to understand the fundamental difference. After we left Vietnam, they didn't want to follow us home. They wanted to build their own workers' paradise. If you read Zarqawi, if you read bin Laden, if you read Zawahiri, read what they say. They want to follow us home. They want Iraq to be a base for Al Qaida to launch attacks against the United States. Their ultimate destination is not Iraq.

Their ultimate destination is New York City, Washington, D.C., Chicago and Phoenix, Arizona. This is a transcendent challenge of our time.

(Audience booing)

McCain: I believe that we can meet it and we will defeat it.

(Applause)

Cooper: Congressman Paul, I know -- we'll get everyone in on this. Congressman Paul, just wanted to allow you to respond.

Paul: Shortly after the Vietnam War ended, Colonel Tu and Colonel Summers met, and they were talking about this. And our -- and the American colonel said, "You know, we never lost one battle." And Colonel Tu, the Vietnamese says, "Yes, but that's irrelevant."

And it is irrelevant. But we have to realize why they want to come here. Wolfowitz even admitted that one of the major reasons that the Al Qaida was organized and energized was because of our military base in Saudi Arabia.

He says, "Oh, now, we can take the base away." He understood why they came here. They come here because we're occupying their country, just as we would object if they occupied our country.

(Audience booing)


http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/28/debate.transcript.part2/index.html
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 12:29 am
I can't believe how they booed McCain.

Anyway, it was entertaining and is being replayed on CNN sat night. The Republicans here can watch it then as apparently, none of them watched it live.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 12:48 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
Republicans here can watch it then as apparently, none of them watched it live.


And you have concluded this, how?
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 08:51 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Republicans here can watch it then as apparently, none of them watched it live.


And you have concluded this, how?


Well apparently not too many Republicans "watched it live" since most of the live audience were Democratic plants. :wink:
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 09:37 am
woiyo wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Republicans here can watch it then as apparently, none of them watched it live.


And you have concluded this, how?


Well apparently not too many Republicans "watched it live" since most of the live audience were Democratic plants. :wink:

That would be funny if it had any basis in truth.

How are the Republican candidates going to deal with Osama Bin Laden if they can't handle questions from Democrats?

Tico needs to learn English. When one says "apparently" something happened , she or he isn't drawing a conclusion.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 09:51 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Republicans here can watch it then as apparently, none of them watched it live.


And you have concluded this, how?


Well apparently not too many Republicans "watched it live" since most of the live audience were Democratic plants. :wink:

That would be funny if it had any basis in truth.

How are the Republican candidates going to deal with Osama Bin Laden if they can't handle questions from Democrats?

Tico needs to learn English. When one says "apparently" something happened , she or he isn't drawing a conclusion.


Actually, it seems you need the English lesson. You used the word "apparently," which caused me to ask how you reached the conclusion that "apparently, none of them watched it live." It -- apparently -- was "apparent" to you that none of the Republicans here watched the debate live. For you to have made that statement, you must have reached a conclusion about the matter, which made it "apparent" to you. There must be some set of "facts" that you digested and regurgitated to state your point ... and I merely asked you to advise what the basis of your conclusion was. If that's too difficult for you to follow, allow me to restate:

What is the basis for your statement that it is "apparent" that none of the "Republicans here" watched the debate live?

Now, you either have a basis for making that statement, or -- more likely -- you like to talk out of your ass.
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Sglass
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 10:03 am
Ticomaya wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Republicans here can watch it then as apparently, none of them watched it live.


And you have concluded this, how?


Well apparently not too many Republicans "watched it live" since most of the live audience were Democratic plants. :wink:

That would be funny if it had any basis in truth.

How are the Republican candidates going to deal with Osama Bin Laden if they can't handle questions from Democrats?

Tico needs to learn English. When one says "apparently" something happened , she or he isn't drawing a conclusion.


Actually, it seems you need the English lesson. You used the word "apparently," which caused me to ask how you reached the conclusion that "apparently, none of them watched it live." It -- apparently -- was "apparent" to you that none of the Republicans here watched the debate live. For you to have made that statement, you must have reached a conclusion about the matter, which made it "apparent" to you. There must be some set of "facts" that you digested and regurgitated to state your point ... and I merely asked you to advise what the basis of your conclusion was. If that's too difficult for you to follow, allow me to restate:

What is the basis for your statement that it is "apparent" that none of the "Republicans here" watched the debate live?

Now, you either have a basis for making that statement, or -- more likely -- you like to talk out of your ass.


One thing you will never be accused of Ticomaya-nator is being a gentleman.
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woiyo
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 10:05 am
Roxxxanne wrote:
woiyo wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Republicans here can watch it then as apparently, none of them watched it live.


And you have concluded this, how?


Well apparently not too many Republicans "watched it live" since most of the live audience were Democratic plants. :wink:

That would be funny if it had any basis in truth.

How are the Republican candidates going to deal with Osama Bin Laden if they can't handle questions from Democrats?

Tico needs to learn English. When one says "apparently" something happened , she or he isn't drawing a conclusion.


Rolling Eyes
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 10:20 am
woiyo wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
Roxxxanne wrote:
Republicans here can watch it then as apparently, none of them watched it live.


And you have concluded this, how?


Well apparently not too many Republicans "watched it live" since most of the live audience were Democratic plants. :wink:


Yes... very Rovian of them.... the phrase "Can dish it out but can't take it" comes to mind....
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 10:21 am
They may have taken their gloves off but it was apparent that they did not put their brains in gear. With leaders like that it is no wonder the US is viewed as it is throughout the world.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 10:24 am
Sglass wrote:
One thing you will never be accused of Ticomaya-nator is being a gentleman.


And Roxxxanne will never be accused of being a lady. :wink:

I'm sure she appreciates your coming to her defense and all lately, but she and all her prior alter-egos have been swinging at me since I joined this site. Speaking of taking off the gloves, she's had hers off since day one.

The problem is, she's out of her weight class. She's sorta like "Danger" in the movie "Million Dollar Baby" in that respect -- convinced she has what it takes to compete, but functionally incapable. So she wades into the ring, makes a few jabs but never connects, gets hit with a few body blows, then she starts swinging wildly. That's the pattern she seems destined to repeat. So she's got you in her corner now ... are you ready to throw in the towel for her?
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 10:25 am
au1929 wrote:
They may have taken their gloves off but it was apparent that they did not put their brains in gear. With leaders like that it is no wonder the US is viewed as it is throughout the world.


I don't think you watched the same debate I did.
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 10:30 am
I think we all watched the same debate.... but some of us were sober. Laughing

Aside from Rudy's very on target response to the question of rebuilding infrastructure... and the fact that I agree with Ron Pauls' anti war stance.... it was a collection of nothing from a lot of nobodies. The weakest choice of republican candidates or candidates of any party affiliation in my lifetime.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 10:36 am
Hadn't seen much of Paul before the debate, and have no desire to see any more of him.
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au1929
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 10:42 am
Ticomaya
If you think that was a creditable performance from people who are seeking the highest office in the US . I must question what is in the cigar you are smoking. If it were a TV reality show it would have been billed as Dumbed,dumber and dumbest.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 11:04 am
au1929 wrote:
Ticomaya
If you think that was a creditable performance from people who are seeking the highest office in the US . I must question what is in the cigar you are smoking. If it were a TV reality show it would have been billed as Dumbed,dumber and dumbest.


Before I try to gauge your take on this particular issue, au, can you tell me what you thought of the Democratic candidates in their last debate. Any creditable performers there, worthy of the highest office in the US?
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 11:10 am
Ticomaya wrote:
au1929 wrote:
Ticomaya
If you think that was a creditable performance from people who are seeking the highest office in the US . I must question what is in the cigar you are smoking. If it were a TV reality show it would have been billed as Dumbed,dumber and dumbest.


Before I try to gauge your take on this particular issue, au, can you tell me what you thought of the Democratic candidates in their last debate. Any creditable performers there, worthy of the highest office in the US?


Ah, the 'your guys sucked too' defense.

Truthfully, Obama and Clinton looked fine for the Dems, and in the last Republican debate, McCain and Huck did great. Romney did okay. Giuliani did terrible. But, he's going down in flames anyways.

Smart money now would be on Romney; to win the nod and lose the general.

Cycloptichorn
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 11:12 am
I thought Hill looked good in the last debate. Joe Biden always looks good when he gets a chance to sandwich in between the "Big Three".
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Fri 30 Nov, 2007 11:16 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
Ticomaya wrote:
au1929 wrote:
Ticomaya
If you think that was a creditable performance from people who are seeking the highest office in the US . I must question what is in the cigar you are smoking. If it were a TV reality show it would have been billed as Dumbed,dumber and dumbest.


Before I try to gauge your take on this particular issue, au, can you tell me what you thought of the Democratic candidates in their last debate. Any creditable performers there, worthy of the highest office in the US?


Ah, the 'your guys sucked too' defense.


It's not a defense, but I understand your weakened leftist psyche on this matter, Cyclops.

Au may very well think all of the Democrats sucked too, and that there is no good candidate in the field. But, my asking for his opinion on the matter is hardly a "defense" to his claim that all of the Republican candidates "sucked." But it will certainly help me judge his opinion, based on whom he believes to be a creditable candidate for President, in any.

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Truthfully, Obama and Clinton looked fine for the Dems, and in the last Republican debate, McCain and Huck did great. Romney did okay. Giuliani did terrible. But, he's going down in flames anyways.


I concur re McCain and Huck. I think they were the clear winners in the last debate. Romney did poorly, I thought.
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