What if Bush wins the war after all?

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

mysteryman wrote:

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I just don't believe this good news is anything more than scripted damage control. If I hear it on the BBC I might take it seriously...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7105216.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7089168.stm

So there is at least 2 articles from the BBC that claim that things are getting better.
Are you now going to say it isnt true?

And on this page...
http://www.iraq.net/

You will find at least 4 stories talking about how much things have improved or how we are getting cooperation fron Syria and Iran.

you're late to the party again MM....

So do you take these reports seriously or not?

Well, folks, did you enjoy the peace while it lasted? ...here we go again.

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"Militants kill 13 in Baghdad raid

Peter Walker
Thursday November 22, 2007
Guardian Unlimited

Suspected al-Qaida militants wearing Iraqi army uniforms killed up to 13 people in a raid on a district south of Baghdad today, according to reports."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,2215311,00.html

revel wrote-

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Living conditions are horrible and violence is still horrible

For sure.

But not as horrible when you never knew if you would be getting your front door busted in in the night and you getting carted off to a torture chamber simply because a minor party official had fingered you for some reason or other.

A lifetime is nothing to such a project.

"The improvements in security produced by the courage and blood of our troops have not been matched by a willingness on the part of Iraqi leaders to make the hard choices necessary to bring peace to their country," Sanchez said in remarks to be aired Saturday for the weekly Democratic radio address.

"There is no evidence that the Iraqis will choose to do so in the near future or that we have an ability to force that result," he said.

Sanchez added that the House bill "makes the proper preparation of our deploying troops a priority and requires the type of shift in their mission that will allow their numbers to be reduced substantially."

Even if Bush could win the war, it doesn't excuse the unnecessary carnage.

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I just don't believe this good news is anything more than scripted damage control. If I hear it on the BBC I might take it seriously...

Doubting the NY Times?

If you hear it on the ultra-left, America bashing, BBC you can take it to the bank, but even then your politics may require you to resist?

Is this not a perfect example of Lieberman's admonishment of the Left, that they are emotionally invested in American defeat in Iraq?

Bi-Polar Bear wrote:

I just don't believe this good news is anything more than scripted damage control. If I hear it on the BBC I might take it seriously...

Doubting the NY Times?

If you hear it on the ultra-left, America bashing, BBC you can take it to the bank, but even then your politics may require you to resist?

Is this not a perfect example of Lieberman's admonishment of the Left, that they are emotionally invested in American defeat in Iraq?

Roxxxanne wrote:

So Joe Lieberman said it and Finn agreed so it is therefore true?

As a matter of fact, yes. That you recognise the truth is a tremendous advancement for you Roxxy. Now you just need to put aside your stuborn [sic] and feckless pseudo-radicalism, and embrace what you've discovered.

Stop with the escapist "American bashing" bullshit, Finn. There are many many many issues that America's feet should be held to the fire over.

I hope that things improve for the Iraqis. But this should never have happened in the first place; thousands of Iraqis shouldn't have died because of American greed.

The day when an American or a Brit will be able to walk down any street in Iraq is far far away.

Won't it be nice when a real Iraqi government says, "Sorry boys, but you've built your embassy in the wrong spot. Tear it down".

JTT wrote:

Stop with the escapist "American bashing" bullshit, Finn. There are many many many issues that America's feet should be held to the fire over.

I hope that things improve for the Iraqis. But this should never have happened in the first place; thousands of Iraqis shouldn't have died because of American greed.

The day when an American or a Brit will be able to walk down any street in Iraq is far far away.

Won't it be nice when a real Iraqi government says, "Sorry boys, but you've built your embassy in the wrong spot. Tear it down".

It is quite obvious that your personal furnace is stoked by the concept that America should be judged and found guilty for many sins. I suspect it assists you in feeling open-minded and superior.

Stop with the escapist, delusional bullshit, Finn! There have been many instances of Americans committing war crimes and you know it. Just one example, a curent issue; the Americans prosecuted a Japanese for waterboarding as a war crime after WWII. He was sentenced to 15 years of hard labor.

The higher ups should get that or more.

Please stop the bullshit.

Oh no?

Funny, you seemed to think such a ninth grade tactic would work for you.

I can only suggest, as strongly as possible, that you cease with the incessant bullshit that fills your posts.


I suppose you mean American greed for oil. When do you expect the US to take over the Iraqi oil fields and pump every gallon of crude into US bound tankers?

Are you simply naive or are you being willfully stupid?

Americans and Brits are, safely, walking down streets of Iraq at this very moment. This is a precise example of a devotion to defeat that cannot be shaken by reality - no matter who (ie The NY Times) reports it.

Yeah right. In their Hawaiian shorts carrying an umbrella drink. How do you function day to day?

McCain Strolls Through Baghdad Market, Accompanied By 100 Soldiers, 3 Blackhawks, 2 Apache Gunships

Sen. John McCain strolled briefly through an open-air market in Baghdad today in an effort to prove that Americans are "not getting the full picture" of what's going on in Iraq.

NBC's Nightly News provided further details about McCain's one-hour guided tour. He was accompanied by "100 American soldiers, with three Blackhawk helicopters, and two Apache gunships overhead." Still photographs provided by the military to NBC News seemed to show McCain wearing a bulletproof vest during his visit.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/04/01/mccain-iraq-stroll/

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

Roxxxanne wrote:

So Joe Lieberman said it and Finn agreed so it is therefore true?

As a matter of fact, yes. That you recognise the truth is a tremendous advancement for you Roxxy. Now you just need to put aside your stuborn [sic] and feckless pseudo-radicalism, and embrace what you've discovered.

Still pounding the ole keyboard soused, Finn.

Stating or recognizing fact is hardly your long suit, Finn.