Do these people have "Support Our Troops" stickers?

Nevertheless true.

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JLNobody wrote:

Nevertheless true.

So says the cynical partisan.

Forgive me if I disagree.

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Please do, Fd'A. But I would be very surprised to hear that a person of your obvious intelligence believes the lies of Bush and Cheney.

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JLNobody wrote:

Seriously, "Support Our Troops" is code for "Support Bush's War."

I'll disagree. The motive for those who manufacture this sticker is most likely profit. They probably care little for the outcome of the war.

I will say however that these individuals wouldn't be able to turn a profit if there wasn't a platfrom they could so easily attach themselves too. It's easy to capitolize on patriotism/nationalism. Being a true patriot; supporting america, however takes real work and the responcible use of one's voice.

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Diest TKO wrote:

Being a true patriot; supporting america, however takes real work and the responcible use of one's voice.

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So what you are saying is that the only true patriot is one that agrees exclusively with your point of view?

You sound like those you are opposed to.

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I'd suggest you to stop putting words in my mouth and start putting marbles in your own.

Having hearing such compelling arguments, I guess I'm wrong....

Buying a yellow ribbon whose profits in no way go to actually supporting the troops isn't ironic at all concidering the numerous ways one can donate to support the troops. I was wrong, branding one's car with a yellow ribbon (perhaps several ribbons) is actually the most responcible way to do your part.

I'll make sure to take the christmas baskets for the families of soldiers that my university collects and sell them to buy some yellow ribbon car magnets and then distribute them to students.

I don't care what other's think or believe, I care about what they do, and what they calim to do.

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JLNobody wrote:

Please do, Fd'A. But I would be very surprised to hear that a person of your obvious intelligence believes the lies of Bush and Cheney.

Here, perhaps, is the difference between our perspectives: I readily accept that politicians of all stripes will lie to me and my fellows.

I don't believe that Bush & Co lie more than did Clinton & Co.

I appreciate that governmental lying is sometimes required, and I expect and accept it of all governments.

Some lying is intolerable, but that is a matter of individual judgment.

If rabid anti-Bushites would call down God's thunder on W because of his lying, that is perfectly A-OK with me, providing they impose the same metaphysical punishment on liars of the Democrat persuasion.

Consistency is, in so many ways, a cosmic truth and should be aspired to.

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On the contrary, There is a difference between the lies of Bush and Co and Clinton and Co.

Republicans like to envoke this defence to try and normalize and non-dementionalize the acts of GWB, but frankly there is a big difference.

I dare you to back up how in any capacity the calim that they are the same. I dare you to honestly provide the lies from both parties and their respective council.

Quite frankly the only chance you have at maiking them look the same is by lying yourself. Lies by omission.

Lastly, a big difference is this: If you going to bluff, you'll have to admit you bluffed if called on it.

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F'A, I agree that all politicians lie to some extent; it's almost a requirement of their profession. But I also agree with Diest that the major lies of Bush and Cllinton are fundamentally different. Bush's lies were to the nation about matters that affected us severely. Clinton's perjury was regarding his private life, about things that were not our business because they had no effect on us.
If anything, we should give Monica some kind of reward for keeping our leader relaxed.
Clinton should have told his interrogaters to mind their own business, that he, as an American Citizen had a right to his private life. I agree. When he felt it necessary--for political reasons--to deceive them with his perjury he, in effect, signalled that all Americans are obliged to respond to governmental inquiries about private matters that have no relation to the laws of the land.

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JLNobody wrote:

Clinton should have told his interrogaters to mind their own business, that he, as an American Citizen had a right to his private life.

So then why are the candidates on both sides running now having so much attention paid to their private lives, and why arent you speaking out against that?

Is it really important that we know how many times Rudy has been married, or what Sen. Craig does with his sex life?

If anybody is going to run for a public office, or serve in a public office, that opens their private life to scrutiny.

I dont think its right, but thats how life is.

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Mysteryman, I DO speak out against it. I don't care about the private lives of politicians or my dentist. I only care about their good will and skill.
The reason political candiates are answering such irrelevant questions is that they are asking for votes. They are in a weak position to insist on their rights. Clinton was coming to an end in his tenure as president; he could have refused to answer questions about his sex life, to the benefit of us all.

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mysteryman wrote:

JLNobody wrote:
Clinton should have told his interrogaters to mind their own business, that he, as an American Citizen had a right to his private life.

So then why are the candidates on both sides running now having so much attention paid to their private lives, and why arent you speaking out against that?

Is it really important that we know how many times Rudy has been married, or what Sen. Craig does with his sex life?

If anybody is going to run for a public office, or serve in a public office, that opens their private life to scrutiny.

I dont think its right, but thats how life is.

You are correct about how much it's being talked about right now, and how it's stupid. I find it ironic however that the republicans are the ones crying foul when they were the ones that opened pandora's box and made this kind of scrutiny acceptable and even normal.

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Diest TKO wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
JLNobody wrote:
Clinton should have told his interrogaters to mind their own business, that he, as an American Citizen had a right to his private life.

So then why are the candidates on both sides running now having so much attention paid to their private lives, and why arent you speaking out against that?

Is it really important that we know how many times Rudy has been married, or what Sen. Craig does with his sex life?

If anybody is going to run for a public office, or serve in a public office, that opens their private life to scrutiny.

I dont think its right, but thats how life is.

You are correct about how much it's being talked about right now, and how it's stupid. I find it ironic however that the republicans are the ones crying foul when they were the ones that opened pandora's box and made this kind of scrutiny acceptable and even normal.

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I havent heard of any of the candidates crying foul, but I will admit I havent been paying alot of attention to them right now.
I just dont think a candidates private life, unless they have some sort of criminal record, has any bearing on how they will govern.

Even with Bill and Monica, I didnt care about what they did.
My only concern about it was when he lied to a grand Jury about it.
I am on record as saying that, and I stand by it.

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mysteryman wrote:

Even with Bill and Monica, I didnt care about what they did.
My only concern about it was when he lied to a grand Jury about it.
I am on record as saying that, and I stand by it.

I can agree with that. I think we'd both agree that he shouldn't have found himself in fron tof a grand jury about it though.

Also in terms of lies, lying about personal infidelity to the nation pales in comparision to lying about a national threat to the country.

Bottom line, the two are in completely different leagues.

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Diest TKO wrote:

mysteryman wrote:
Even with Bill and Monica, I didnt care about what they did.
My only concern about it was when he lied to a grand Jury about it.
I am on record as saying that, and I stand by it.

I can agree with that. I think we'd both agree that he shouldn't have found himself in fron tof a grand jury about it though.

I agree he shouldnt have.
But once he was he should have been honest about it, and taken the consequences like a man.

Also in terms of lies, lying about personal infidelity to the nation pales in comparision to lying about a national threat to the country.

True.
But my only concern there is that if he couldnt keep the promise he made when he took his wedding vows why should he be trusted to keep any other promises?
After all, IMHO the wedding vows are the most sacred promise a person can make.

Bottom line, the two are in completely different leagues.

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They are in different leagues, on that we agree.

BTW, I dont believe that Bush lied about our national security.
He went with the info he was given, and that turned out to be wrong.
Whats funny is now the same people that screwed up so badly about Iraq are being hailed as being 100% correct about Iran and its nuke program.
But thats a different issue.

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He went with the info he was given, and that turned out to be wrong.

he is a person like ..........................

Happy Christmas Bush.
Forget about my struggle to surviive.

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mysteryman wrote:

They are in different leagues, on that we agree.

BTW, I dont believe that Bush lied about our national security.
He went with the info he was given, and that turned out to be wrong.
Whats funny is now the same people that screwed up so badly about Iraq are being hailed as being 100% correct about Iran and its nuke program.
But thats a different issue.

What's funny is you claim Bush only went with the info he was given.

Can anyone honestly think that is what Bush went with when it came to Iran? The info Bush was given on Iran in no way corresponds to the threats he claimed about Iran.

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The TV news last night showed two little girls opening a large xmas gift; it contained their father. The looks on the faces of the surprised girls when they yelled "daddy" and leaped forward to hug their young father was profoundly touching. But when I realized that he was returning perhaps to his death in Iraq I felt an equally profound anger for Bush and his murdering henchmen.

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I feel sorry for the real christians.
By the word real I mean those who uphold decency to distribute.

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mysteryman wrote:

Diest TKO wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Even with Bill and Monica, I didnt care about what they did.
My only concern about it was when he lied to a grand Jury about it.
I am on record as saying that, and I stand by it.

I can agree with that. I think we'd both agree that he shouldn't have found himself in fron tof a grand jury about it though.

I agree he shouldnt have.
But once he was he should have been honest about it, and taken the consequences like a man.

Also in terms of lies, lying about personal infidelity to the nation pales in comparision to lying about a national threat to the country.

True.
But my only concern there is that if he couldnt keep the promise he made when he took his wedding vows why should he be trusted to keep any other promises?
After all, IMHO the wedding vows are the most sacred promise a person can make.

Bottom line, the two are in completely different leagues.

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They are in different leagues, on that we agree.

BTW, I dont believe that Bush lied about our national security.
He went with the info he was given, and that turned out to be wrong.
Whats funny is now the same people that screwed up so badly about Iraq are being hailed as being 100% correct about Iran and its nuke program.
But thats a different issue.

What does Clinton have to do with anything Bush, screws up? Do you read the newspapers or see the news? Bush has had one scandal after another. Nothing but lying liars and thieves, sexual perverts and ugly women! Cool

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