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Do these people have "Support Our Troops" stickers?

 
 
DrewDad
 
Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 01:21 pm
Military Asks Wounded Soldiers to Return Portions of Signing Bonuses


Gee, sorry about you losing your leg. But ya know, you promised to serve for four years....
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boomerang
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 01:25 pm
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 02:55 pm
US veteran population: a mounting social catastrophe
By Naomi Spencer
Nov 20, 2007, 05:03



As thousands of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan return to the US, the dimensions of the social burden of war are beginning to take shape. A number of recent reports highlight the toll colonial occupation has taken on the physical and mental health of military personnel, as well as the lack of US government medical and financial assistance awaiting them on their return.

Incidence of veteran suicide, homelessness, drug addiction, incarceration, severe poverty, unmanaged mental illness, and the redeployment of mentally unstable troops all point to a growing social crisis faced by returning soldiers and a military on the verge of collapse.

More than 3,860 US troops have been killed in Iraq, and well over 60,000 soldiers have been wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2001. Because of medical and technological advances, the ratio of survivors to fatalities in the current war operations is greater than in any other war in modern history. Thousands of wounded soldiers are surviving with extremely serious injuries, and many more suffer untreated psychological and brain trauma on the battlefield.

When these soldiers return to the United States, they face long waits for medical care in overcrowded, mismanaged, and underfunded Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) facilities?-or drop out of the system entirely, into all manner of social misery.

The volume of cases is overwhelming an already ill-prepared system. On November 14, Veterans for Common Sense reported that the VA admitted in court filings related to a lawsuit against it by the group that nearly 264,000 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans were treated in VA hospitals and clinics through October 2007. In 2008, the VA expects to treat 300,000 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans, according to House Veterans' Affairs Committee Chairman Bob Filer. The government estimates healthcare will cost upwards of $650 billion for veterans of the two wars.

Even conservative estimates from the military suggest an epidemic of mental trauma among new veterans. The Pentagon reported earlier this year that of the 1.6 million military personnel deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, 38 percent of Army and fully half of National Guard service members have been diagnosed with mental illness.

Incidence of traumatic brain injury, PTSD


One of the most common injuries is among the most difficult to diagnose and treat: traumatic brain injury, or TBI. Symptoms, which can range from irritability and dizziness to forgetting how to walk and talk, often take weeks to surface and worsen over time.

According to the Defense and Veterans Brain Injury Center, more than 4,200 returned troops have been seen for TBI at military hospitals this year. Doctors believe that thousands more troops suffer TBI but have not reported it. Post-deployment screenings of returning troops suggest that one in five have sustained TBI, most from proximity to roadside bomb detonations.

Reflecting the brutal nature of the occupation, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, PTSD, has also been diagnosed in a large percentage of returned combat troops. A recent survey conducted by the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research found that, of nearly 22,000 returned personnel diagnosed with PTSD, four in five had either fired weapons in order to kill or witnessed someone being killed or wounded.

A new study by the institute of 88,235 soldiers, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association November 14, revealed that while only 4 to 5 percent of soldiers were referred for mental health care in their initial Post-Deployment Health Assessment, the percentage leaped up in follow-up exams.

After three to six months, more than 20 percent of active-duty soldiers and more than 42 percent of reserve soldiers who had served in Iraq or Afghanistan were recommended for mental healthcare for post-combat stress and PTSD. Severe depression rates doubled, from 5 percent to 1 in 10 soldiers; reports of conflict with family and friends rose from 3.5 to 14 percent for active-duty personnel and from 4 to 21 percent for returned reservists.

The institute concluded that earlier estimates were inaccurate assessments of the prevalence of trauma because of the early timing of mental health screenings. "The study shows that the rates that we previously reported based on surveys taken immediately on return from deployment substantially underestimate the mental health burden," the authors wrote.

The result of underestimation is lack of care for traumatized veterans. A September report from the Government Accountability Office (GAO) suggested that half of the military's so-called Warrior Transition Units had "significant shortfalls" of caregiving staff. The GAO stated that "46 percent of the Army's returning service members who were eligible to be assigned to a [Warrior Transition] unit had not been assigned due in part to staffing shortages," and that over half of the units had staffing shortfalls of more than 50 percent.

Large numbers of new veterans are abandoned by the military both financially and medically, and the burden of medical care falls overwhelmingly onto the shoulders of those least prepared to cope, family members or the soldiers themselves.

Homelessness and incarceration


Soldiers recruited from economically distressed areas are thrust back into them with enormous medical and psychological challenges. According to the National Alliance to End Homelessness (NAEH), thousands of returned Iraq and Afghanistan veterans have already been identified among the millions of homeless in America.

Based on 2005 figures from the VA and the Census Bureau, the NAEH estimated that in 2006, on any given night, 194,254 homeless people were veterans. Just under half a million combat veterans?-one in four homeless persons?-lived on the street for at least part of the year.

The government actually puts the proportion higher. As of August 2007, the VA estimates that one in three homeless people are veterans. While there are nearly 200,000 homeless veterans, the government provides only 15,000 shelter beds nationwide to supplement the 8,000 supplied by local non-profit organizations. The VA web site notes, "Many other veterans are considered near homeless or at risk because of their poverty, lack of support from family and friends, and dismal living conditions in cheap hotels or in overcrowded or substandard housing."

Ricky Singh of Black Veterans for Social Justice told OneWorld news service, "What typically happens to young adults who go into the military at 17 or 18, when they return home, the same kind of economic conditions that forced them towards the military still exist or have gotten worse."

The vast majority of homeless veterans are single males from poor economic backgrounds. About 45 percent suffer mental illness, and 70 percent suffer alcoholism or other drug dependency; 56 percent are ethnic minorities.

Unsurprisingly, a large number of veterans are also incarcerated. Justice Department statistics suggest roughly 12 percent of the 7 million people within the corrections system?-in prison, jail, or on parole?-have served in the military. Four in five incarcerated veterans reported drug dependency, and nearly a quarter held in jails were homeless in the year before arrest. A quarter were also identified as mentally ill.

Lack of affordable housing is the primary driver of homelessness in general, the NAEH states, and while veterans as a subset of the population in general have high rates of home ownership, a significant segment of the Vietnam and post-Vietnam veteran population face severe housing burdens. Rather than returning to an economic boom, veterans from wars of the past four decades have come home to an economic vacuum, particularly in the manufacturing sector where veterans of previous generations were able to enter the workforce.

Besides the half a million homeless veterans, the NAEH estimates 467,877 veterans were "severely rent burdened and paying more than 50 percent of their income for rent." This group is considered at risk for homelessness. "More than half (55 percent) of veterans with severe housing cost burden fell below the poverty level and 43 percent were receiving food stamps," the report states.

Redeployment and relaxed enlistment standards


The plight of mentally ill veterans does not end with adjustment problems in the United States. Many are sent back into war, dangerously compounding psychiatric trauma.

Reflecting the unpopularity of both the war and the prospect of a draft, enlistment standards have been substantially relaxed over the past few years to allow recruitment of people with mental illness and criminal records. At the same time, the Pentagon has extended tours and made it much more difficult to leave the military and still qualify for disability benefits.

Even so, the military is experiencing a significant troop shortage in the two wars, creating a numbers problem for the Bush administration's plans for a war against Iran.

Current military policy allows soldiers diagnosed with serious mental problems to be redeployed to combat zones if they are assessed as stable for three months. According to a November 11 investigation by Boston's ABC affiliate station, WCVB TV/DT Channel 5, the National Guard and Army were redeploying soldiers diagnosed with PTSD in direct violation of already lax standards.

The report cited the redeployment of a 25-year-old soldier, Damian Fernandez, who had been classified as 70 percent disabled from PTSD. "Everyday, for 365 days, they were under attack there," his mother told WCVB. "Bombings and land mines were in the street and he saw his fellow soldiers killed." After Fernandez got his order to redeploy, his mother said, "All day long he was just getting more and more agitated until he said he was going to kill himself rather than go back."

An Army soldier, Michael DeVlieger, got the order to redeploy just one day after being released from a Kentucky military hospital for acute stress disorder, the station reported. "The closer that it got, he kept saying, ?'Mom, I'm going to die, I'm not coming back this time. I'm feeling it, I'm dreaming it. I'm not coming back,' " his mother said.

Suicide among active-duty troops and veterans


Extreme psychological distress among active-duty troops is reflected in the occasional official figures released concerning suicide and self-harm. The Department of Defense recognizes 130 self-inflicted fatalities among US personnel since 2003 in Iraq.

This is a substantial understatement of suicide rates in the military. An Army Suicide Event Report made public in August 2007 revealed 97 cases of suicide among US Army personnel last year alone?-the highest rate of suicide in 26 years. The report documented at least 948 suicide attempts by Army personnel in 2006.

Yet an investigation by CBS News suggests these suicide figures are barely the tip of the iceberg. As reported by Armen Kieteyian on CBS Evening News November 13, suicides are not systematically tracked by the military. Through a Freedom of Information Act request, the network obtained Defense Department documents enumerating nearly 2,200 suicides among active-duty personnel between 1995 and 2007, including 188 in the past year.

When CBS related the figures to Ira Katz, head of the VA's mental health division, asking why the military has not conducted a national study, Katz told the network, "There is no epidemic in suicide in the VA, but suicide is a major problem."

CBS requested information from state vital statistics agencies on suicide data for veterans and non-veterans dating back to 1995. The figures for 45 states that returned data were staggering: CBS reported that in 2005 alone, there were at least 6,256 suicides among veterans. That averages out to 120 each week, or 17 each day. By comparison, the daily average for total US military deaths in Iraq since 2003 is about 2.4 per day, or 17 per week.

An analysis of the raw data by University of Georgia Epidemiology and Biostatistics Department head Steve Rathbun found that veterans were more than twice as likely to commit suicide as non-veterans in 2005. The 20-to-24-year-old age group had the highest suicide rate among all veterans, and rates two to four times higher (22.9-31.9 per 100,000) than civilians the same age (8.3 per 100,000).

"Let's put this into perspective," Paul Sullivan of Veterans for Common Sense told reporter Keteyian in an interview. "Of the one and a half million service members put into the two wars, we're estimating about a third will come home with some kind of mental health problem." Sullivan, who was a data analyst for the VA from 2000 to 2006, said the government operated on a " ?'don't look, don't find' policy."

"Instead of finding out how many veterans are in need of health care to prevent suicide, the VA is simply ignoring the problem," Sullivan said. "Given the lessons from the Vietnam War, when some veterans committed suicide after they came home, and the same happened after the Gulf War, our country should know better. These political appointees, instead of doing the right thing, are doing the wrong thing and they should be held accountable."
http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_25516.shtml
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McTag
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 03:06 pm
That's just awful. But not unknown here either, in limits on compensation for injuries and chronic medical conditions due to soldiers being wounded in action.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 21 Nov, 2007 02:45 am
Where's the champ who wants to denfend this kind of trash? Retroactively taking that signing bonus is absolutely ridiculous. I hope those fuckers do have the 3.00 support our troops yellow ribbons on the backs of their car. I hope they do, because it's the label of the idiot.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 02:05 am
Diest TKO wrote:
Where's the champ who wants to denfend this kind of trash? Retroactively taking that signing bonus is absolutely ridiculous. I hope those **** do have the 3.00 support our troops yellow ribbons on the backs of their car. I hope they do, because it's the label of the idiot.

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Chances are there is another side to this story, but even if there is not, the problem is beauocracy (the right arm of the Left) not policy makers.

Support Our Troops bumper stickers are the labels of the idiot?

I've struggled to come up with a subtle retort, but I'm afraid that all I am left with is: "Good God you are an A-hole!"

TKO?

Please.

You really are an A-hole aren't you?
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 22 Nov, 2007 01:00 pm
The truth of the matter is that unless they buy their yellow ribbon at the VA, the profit doesn't go to support the troops in any way. Those stupid ribbons are only an atempt by the purchaser to market themselves as being caring without actually having to put out any effort. It's a shitty way to "support our trrops."

If you'd like to defend the taking of these troops signing bonus, do so, if not go polish your yellow ribbon car magnet in silence.

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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 10:09 am
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Support Our Troops bumper stickers are the labels of the idiot?

Yes.

Buying it is one thing... the ostentatious display of "altruism" is idiocy.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 04:33 pm
DrewDad wrote:
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Support Our Troops bumper stickers are the labels of the idiot?

Yes.

Buying it is one thing... the ostentatious display of "altruism" is idiocy.


I take it you consider all bumper stickers to be the labels of idiots, or is only those that express a sentiment which you hold in contempt?
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 04:53 pm
Very few people have contempt for the idea of "supporting our troops." I very much support the troops, I have good friends who are troops in Iraq as we speak.

I don't think anyone has done their part to support by buying a stupid sticker, magnet or ribbon. I can still remember Fox news reporting how protesting the Iraq war was hurting our troops.

Show me how a stupid bumper sticker is showing support, and I'll trump it.

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Chai
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 05:25 pm
I'll bite.

I for one do think all bumper stickers are moronic.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Sat 1 Dec, 2007 06:11 pm
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
I take it you consider all bumper stickers to be the labels of idiots, or is only those that express a sentiment which you hold in contempt?

Let's just say that this particular bumper sticker is especially a label of an idiot.






I'll leave discussions of the "Starfleet Academy" bumper stickers for another thread.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Mon 3 Dec, 2007 01:00 pm
When I was in highschool, I used to go out on the weekend with friends and draw on people's bumper stickers.

Our favorite one's were the famous...

"The power of pride" and "These colors don't run"

bumper stickers. We would take many colorful sharpies and turn the american flag into a rainbow. The joke becomes obvious. Since my younger and more juvenile days, I just find peace in knowing how useless the stickers are to begin with.

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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 5 Dec, 2007 03:01 pm
Diest TKO wrote:
Very few people have contempt for the idea of "supporting our troops." I very much support the troops, I have good friends who are troops in Iraq as we speak.

I don't think anyone has done their part to support by buying a stupid sticker, magnet or ribbon. I can still remember Fox news reporting how protesting the Iraq war was hurting our troops.

Show me how a stupid bumper sticker is showing support, and I'll trump it.

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It certainly isn't much of a show of support, but it is one.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2007 07:49 pm
I like to look at things through the eyes of history, and sometimes I see things the current picture doesn't highlight.

For example, during Vietnam there was a draft. Citizen soldiers got drafted at 19, or after college. This might have not been the case around 1967, or so, when a draft lottery was the deciding factor as to who got drafted.

Regardless, citizen soldiers died, or were wounded, and bonuses were not part of the picture for these draftees. Somewhere around 55,000 military died in that war. I don't think a good part of the country really has had closure on that period in our history, since the am radio stations thoughout the country still play the music of the 1960's.

That's a tragedy, that our collective unconscious has really not had closure on Vietnam, and here we are in this situation in Iraq and Afghanistan that has current casualties.

What I think I'm trying to say is that when our military is a volunteer military, where there is a profit motive to reenlist, I don't think it reflects well on the country as a whole.

Let's be real. Could Israel have survived if they had a volunteer military?

So, the unpopular solution is going back to the draft.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2007 08:07 pm
A lot may not have happened if the draft was still in place.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2007 08:27 pm
ossobuco wrote:
A lot may not have happened if the draft was still in place.


It would have likely ended the undocumented immigrant concerns by many people, since undocumented immigrants wouldn't come, unless they were willing to be drafted.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2007 09:04 pm
regaurdless, if someone is given a signing bonus, it should not be taken away for reasons of injury.

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JLNobody
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2007 09:32 pm
Seriously, "Support Our Troops" is code for "Support Bush's War."
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Thu 6 Dec, 2007 09:47 pm
JLNobody wrote:
Seriously, "Support Our Troops" is code for "Support Bush's War."


Seriously, that is a cynical and partisan view.
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