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Synthetic Diamonds Threaten De Beers

 
 
kev
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2003 02:11 pm
Gautam wrote:
What happens to people who have invested heavily in Diamonds ?


Same thing that happens to anyone who has made the wrong investment at any particular time, the stock goes down and they lose money, so what?

If safety is your main priority put your cash in abuilding society, the interest rate is abysmal but you cant lose it.
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shoesharper
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2003 03:24 pm
I hope the American companies have plentiful patents on their processes. With deBeers' habit of monopoly they might get busy and try manufacturing their own. Surprised
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kev
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2003 03:44 pm
shoesharper wrote:
I hope the American companies have plentiful patents on their processes. With deBeers' habit of monopoly they might get busy and try manufacturing their own. Surprised


Shoesharper, you can safely take that as gospel.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2003 03:49 pm
stick to land. at least you'll have a place to live if your investment doesn't pan out.
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kev
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2003 04:04 pm
ehBeth wrote:
stick to land. at least you'll have a place to live if your investment doesn't pan out.


In principal I couldn't fault that advice although I understand that quite a few investors in "land" in florida were a little disappointed, turned out to be a swamp, whatever happened in that case?
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2003 04:08 pm
Not looking at the land you're investing in is probably not the best approach.
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shoesharper
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2003 06:01 pm
Kev -- What do you think happened in Florida? People lost their shirts and realtors made a mint. This scam has been going on since the 1920's and believe it or not, there are still people gullible enough to fall for it.
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shoesharper
 
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Reply Sat 1 Nov, 2003 06:01 pm
Kev -- What do you think happened in Florida? People lost their shirts and realtors made a mint. This scam has been going on since the 1920's and believe it or not, there are still people gullible enough to fall for it.
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kev
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2003 07:11 pm
shoesharper wrote:
Kev -- What do you think happened in Florida? People lost their shirts and realtors made a mint. This scam has been going on since the 1920's and believe it or not, there are still people gullible enough to fall for it.


Yes Shoesharper, I know, this is one of those cases where British humour perhaps doesn't travel well. Love you all the same.
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littlek
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2003 07:19 pm
I hate DeBeers as well. So, don't mind so much about this news. I don'town any diamonds and I don't really care that much for them either.
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shoesharper
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2003 10:24 pm
I have no idea why my post above appears twice. Question

kev -- I guess the British humor did get lost somewhere on the way over. My English grandfather always used to tell me that I didn't know how to judge what is funny. I am probably a little touchy on the subject of Florida since I lived there for many years. Smile
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2003 10:32 pm
I have two diamonds, and I do like them -- they're real sparkly! Very Happy -- but in both cases the setting has a lot more meaning for me than the diamond itself. Well, my engagement ring is both -- E.G. proposed with just the diamond since he knew I wanted to design my own ring. So has sentimental value there. But I don't love diamonds as much more than rubies or even garnets as their price would indicate.
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2003 10:38 pm
sozobe,
How would you feel about synthetic diamonds, like if the stone in your engagement ring were synthetic?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2003 10:48 pm
If I knew from the outset, and paid accordingly, I'd be happy. Very much like what I said earlier about pearls. I like all those gems -- pearls, rubies, diamonds, sapphires, what have you -- and the more affordable they are, the better.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2003 10:49 pm
(This is assuming that synthetic diamonds have all or nearly all of the properties of real diamonds, which they seem to. Diamonds ARE matchlessly sparkly, and I do like that.)
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2003 11:04 pm
Diamonds
Forget about De Beers as a reason to cheer the "cultured" diamonds. Try thinking about the impact it will have on Pat Robertson's fortune in diamond mines. That thought makes me smile a really big grin.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Pat+Robertson%27s+diamond+mines&btnG=Google+Search

BBB
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shoesharper
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2003 11:18 pm
Pat Robertson has money in diamond mines? Well, now. Let's do all we can to promote fake diamonds. Pat may soon have to start pleading for "goodwill" offerings. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2003 11:20 pm
According to the article about the Apollo diamonds, they aren't like naturals because they are more perfect. That's how a jeweler in Belgium was able to spot them out.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 2 Nov, 2003 11:26 pm
Pat Robertson's Business Practices
From the Anti-Pat Robertson Christian Coalition site:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7027/patrobertson.html

"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness"
-Timothy 6:10

Pat Robertson's Business Practices

Pat Robertson is a wealthy man. An extremely wealthy man-some estimates put his net worth at 140 million. He lives on the top of a Virginia mountain, in a huge mansion with a private airstrip. He owns the Ice Capades, a small hotel, diamond mines, and until recently, International Family Entertainment, parent company of the Family Channel. How does a televangelist, who is supposedly involved in non-profit work, manage to create such a fortune for himself? Apparently, between dealing with murderous dictators and ripping off senior citizens, its not that hard.

Pat the Media Mogul

The Pat Robertson success story starts with the Family Channel. He started it in 1977, using money donated to his Christian Broadcasting Network, in order to increase viewership potential of the 700 Club, and filled the rest of the time with cheesy old TV shows. The popularity of the channel soon grew, and it began to turn large profits by 1989, meaning that it could no longer legally be a part of the non-profit CBN. So what does Robertson decide to do? He partners up with TCI, and arranges for CBN to sell the Family Channel to himself and his son (Tim Robertson) for next to nothing. He then took the company public in 1992, with the stock sales making him a wealthy man, to the tune of 90 million dollars. In other words, he took money that people had donated to CBN for the purpose of spreading Christianity, and used it to build himself a media empire. Recently, Pat sold off the Family Channel to Mr.-Anti-Family-Values himself, Rupert Murdoch, the man behind "Melrose Place" and "Married...With Children." Of course, this sale increased his fortune even more. Is all of this legal? Barely. Ethical? Hardly. Something you would expect from a true man of God? Most definitely not. Pat could have sold the Family Channel to someone else, and returned the profits to CBN, seeing as it was CBN donor money that started it in the first place, but he chose the road to massive personal gain.

Pat the Scam Artist

With his ill-gained fortune now in place, Pat experimented with a number of new businesses, the most interesting among them being American Benefits Plus/Kalo Vita. This was a multi-level marketing scheme along the lines of Amway and Avon. Here, Robertson recruited people across the country (starting in '91-'92), as many as 20,000 people (many of them retirees) to sell coupon books. He told them in training seminars that his program was backed by the Bible, and that they could earn $15,000-$20,000 a month. Things didn't go that well with the coupon books, though, and Pat suddenly decide to change the company into Kalo Vita, and sell vitamins. Problem was, this left people with coupon books unsold, and when they tried to send the books back to AFB/Kalo Vita, they found out that they would not be refunded their money. One 76 year-old woman in in Indianapolis was stuck with $7,000 worth of unsold coupon books, and had to refinance her home. During the subsequent investigation, it was found that CBN had "loaned" money to AFB during its founding, almost 3 million dollars.

Diamond Pat

Another one of Robertson's more notorious business deals is the recently exposed diamond mine case. In this ingenious venture, Robertson saw an opportunity in the country formerly named Zaire (now the Congo) for diamond mines. The former Zaire is a country rich in natural resources, including diamonds, but these resources were thus far being plundered by its (former) dictator, the brutal Mobuto Sese Seko. Mobuto (who recently died of cancer) was one of the world's richest men, while his people lived in grinding poverty. It was often noted that he could have cured all of his country's ills by writing a personal check. Mobuto had been trying to come to the US to try to improve relations, but the State Department refused to grant him a visa, due to his lengthy human rights violations (see the Pat's Dictator Friends page for more info). In all of this, the clever Pat Robertson saw an opportunity. The two became close associates, and Mobuto allowed Pat to open diamond mines in Zaire, under the name of the African Development Company, while Pat tried to persuade the State Department to allow Mobuto entry into the US. Ultimately, it was found out that Pat had been using CBN money and equipment to aid his diamond mining operation in Zaire (see the News page for more details). A good deal for Pat, seeing as he employed people in Zaire for ridiculously low wages, and managed to use CBN's infrastructure to cut costs even more.

Ultimately, one is struck by the constant use of non-profit, donor money used to fund Pat's schemes, and the total lack of ethics that this man has. Anyone thinking about sending money to CBN to "promote the gospel" should definitely take note; chances are that your money will end up being used to increase the fortune of one Marion "Pat" Robertson instead. For even more information on Pat's business practices, I encourage you to check out Rob Boston's book entitled "The Most Dangerous Man in America? Pat Robertson and the Rise of the Christian Coalition," from which some of my information comes.
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