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Pat Robertson endorses Giuliani

 
 
Reply Wed 7 Nov, 2007 09:10 pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21669328/


So good ole Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition and the Christian Broadcasting Network, has pledged his support to Rudy Giuliani (the same Giuliani who supports abortion rights and gay marriage).

Is there any integrity in some of these social conservatives?
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Phoenix32890
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 05:47 am
I think that the right wing bible bangers realize that in order for them to have a snowball's chance in hell to win in November 2008, they have to agree on somebody.

I suppose that Pat figured that Rudy was the "least worst" who can WIN. As an aside, Ihad read somewhere that in their personal lives, Rudy and Pat are quite cordial to each other.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 10:01 am
Phoenix32890 wrote:
I think that the right wing bible bangers realize that in order for them to have a snowball's chance in hell to win in November 2008, they have to agree on somebody.

I suppose that Pat figured that Rudy was the "least worst" who can WIN. As an aside, Ihad read somewhere that in their personal lives, Rudy and Pat are quite cordial to each other.



Nothing like sacrificing your moral values to put a Republican in the WH. What would Jesus do?
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Jim
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 10:04 am
I wonder how many people give a hoot what Pat Robertson says?
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 10:18 am
Jim wrote:
I wonder how many people give a hoot what Pat Robertson says?


Maybe the same people who watch the 700 Club (over 1,000,000 people A DAY)? Attend Regent University (over 4,000 students)? Members of the Christian Coalition (1,700,000 people)? And I'm sure that many millions of other Christian's LOVE to hear what he has to say when he's agreeing with them or battling the ACLU.
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 10:50 am
I saw something on CNN yesterday that said Robertson has been marginalized somewhat by the Christian right for being too soft and this will only further dilute his influence. If he's too soft, I can't imagine who they're claiming as their current spokesman (I almost said spokesperson, but that would be a joke).
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maporsche
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 10:55 am
JPB wrote:
I saw something on CNN yesterday that said Robertson has been marginalized somewhat by the Christian right for being too soft and this will only further dilute his influence. If he's too soft, I can't imagine who they're claiming as their current spokesman (I almost said spokesperson, but that would be a joke).


That truly is a scary thought.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 11:05 am
JPB wrote:
I saw something on CNN yesterday that said Robertson has been marginalized somewhat by the Christian right for being too soft and this will only further dilute his influence.


from Huffington in the spring - about Robertson's Regent Universtiy

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The right has exploited the mainstream press's ignorance about Robertson to avoid weathering the blowback from his most embarassing gaffes. Case in point: Two years ago, after Robertson called for the assassination of Hugo Chavez, Fox News' Brit Hume introduced what would become a central talking point for spinning the controversy. On the August 23, 2005 episode of Fox News' Special Report, Hume declared, "The televangelist Pat Robertson's political influence may have been declining since he came in second in the Iowa Republican caucuses 17 years ago. And he may have no clout with the Bush administration."

Morton Kondracke echoed Hume, exclaiming that "Pat Robertson's day has long since passed."

Predictably, the right's spin seeped into the mainstream press.


Quote:
Since Robertson's failed presidential campaign, coverage of him has largely focused on his mercurial and bizarre personality. He seemed only to appear in the news when one of his many entertainingly outrageous gaffes or false prophecies earned publicity. While Robertson's hysterical episodes deserved all the coverage they generated, with a few notable exceptions, the mainstream press habitually ignored his political machinations. Robertson and his cadres exploited this lack of scrutiny to quietly erect a sophisticated and far-reaching political network that today propells the Christian right's ongoing march through the institutions.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/the-press-discovers-pat-r_b_45322.html
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 11:16 am
fI just spent the early morning reading the August 20, 2007 article on Giuliani in the New Yorker, title "Mayberry Man", by Paul Boyer.
I'm frightened enough by Giuliani, never mind Robertson.

Mayberry Man, by Paul Boyer, full article
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 11:20 am
The first person I thought about when hearing this announcement was McCain. With his overt pandering to the Christian right over the past year, I wondered what his thoughts were to yesterday's announcement. He then r'cd Brownback's support. Also, with Romney being supported by Weyrich and Bob Jones III, it seems that the Christian right may not have a single voice in this campaign which will, I think, only help the dems -- which isn't necessarily a good thing with Hillary leading that charge.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 03:09 pm
"It is truly a match made in Heaven: a long-time dictator-coddler, blood diamond merchant, Jew-hater and milkshake shiller - who dabbles in religious flim-flammery on the side - endorsing a torture-loving, warmongering, serially adulterous, gender-confused, compulsively lying authoritarian to lead God's own country.

Verily I say unto you: we live in blessed times.

Woody Guthrie had a somewhat slightly view, of course:


Jesus Christ was a man who traveled through the land,
A hard-working man and brave.
He said to the rich, "Give your money to the poor,"
But they laid Jesus Christ in His graveĀ…

When Jesus come to town, all the working folks around
Believed what he did say.
But the bankers and the preachers, they nailed Him on the cross,
And they laid Jesus Christ in his grave...

This song was written in New York City
Of rich man, preacher, and slave:
If Jesus was to preach what He preached in Galilee,
They would lay Jesus Christ in His grave."
http://www.chris-floyd.com/Articles/Articles/Lord_Have_Mercy%3A_Religious_Fascist_Endorses_Political_Fascist_for_Prezn
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au1929
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 03:30 pm
Birds of a feather. They are both unprincipled phoneys
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Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 04:03 pm
au1929 wrote:
Birds of a feather. They are both unprincipled phoneys


what he said....
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Roxxxanne
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 05:48 pm
au1929 wrote:
Birds of a feather. They are both unprincipled phoneys


Add indicted Bernard Kerik to that flock.
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JTT
 
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Reply Thu 8 Nov, 2007 07:27 pm
Hasn't Robertson been indicted yet?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2007 06:31 pm
Re: Pat Robertson endorses Giuliani
maporsche wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21669328/


So good ole Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition and the Christian Broadcasting Network, has pledged his support to Rudy Giuliani (the same Giuliani who supports abortion rights and gay marriage).

Is there any integrity in some of these social conservatives?


And if Robertson came out against Rudy you would be writing posts that suggested he was a one issue demagogue.

Tough to take a rigged game seriously.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2007 07:15 pm
Re: Pat Robertson endorses Giuliani
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
maporsche wrote:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21669328/


So good ole Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Coalition and the Christian Broadcasting Network, has pledged his support to Rudy Giuliani (the same Giuliani who supports abortion rights and gay marriage).

Is there any integrity in some of these social conservatives?


And if Robertson came out against Rudy you would be writing posts that suggested he was a one issue demagogue.

Tough to take a rigged game seriously.


"Any way the wind blows" Finn, the republican apologist.
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 13 Nov, 2007 07:17 pm
Re: Pat Robertson endorses Giuliani
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

And if Robertson came out against Rudy you would be writing posts that suggested he was a one issue demagogue.


No, probably not. If he came out against Rudy I probably wouldn't say anything, I'd expect that sort of reaction from a Christian who claims that abortion is murder and should be abolished. Anyone who disagrees with that position in the eyes of a Chrisitan is condoning murder. What sort of conservative Christian would condone a murderer becomming President.

I don't ask for everyone to agree with me, just to try to be consistent in their arguments and stated beliefs.

If Pat Robertson decided that he's cool with the pro-choice movement, then great, say so. But how can you preach that one thing is murder, then support a candidate for president who would allow said murder.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Tue 20 Nov, 2007 04:07 pm
If telemarketing and public begging make you sick, American election hype would gag a maggot.

What does it augur and portend when a powerful, hidebound religious leader endorses a libertine candidate's cheques? Who are Pat Robertson the Preacher and Rudy Giuliani the Mayor? Here's the scoop on the ayatollah of Revivalists, Pat Robertson, hugging the former mayor of New York City and investment banker, Rudolph Giuliani, who is running [if we stand for an office in the US, we get knocked down] for President.

We can understand the motives of the spokesman for the Religious Right, Pat Robertson, televangelist extraordinaire, throwing his prestige and moral weight behind Rudy Giuliani for him to become the Republican candidate in hopes of beating the Democrats by a knockout next year. Last time out it was a split decision. The judges were corrupt, but they were our judges. Democrats are bad. Republicans are good. Giuliani is a Republican. Therefore, you must vote for Giuliani. The level of discourse rises almost that high.

Guliani is both trusted and popular because as mayor he held New York City together after the attacks of 9/11, but Giuliani supports the abortion laws and wants gun control. He is a twice-divorced Italian-American who used to live with homosexual friends, with gays in Gotham, Sin City, in the Big Apple! However, from Robertson's point of view Giuliani is the best of a bad lot. The other "front runners" are John McCain, Fred Thompson, Mitt Romney, and Mike Huckabee. The Reverend Dr Robertson evidently thinks none of them has a chance.

Robertson is the President of the PTL [Praise the Lord] Club, a televangelist. He is host of The 700 Club, the founder of many organizations, including the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN), the Christian Coalition, Flying Hospital, International Family Entertainment, and Regent University, all of which are owned or influenced by the Walt Disney Company, a corporation reporting an increase in earnings from its studio, media, parks, and toys from $3.4 billion in 2006 to $4.7 billion in 2007.

The Religious Right, whatever it is, got Bush II elected twice, they say, and Pat Robertson, the great TV personality and Holy Man, believes it, but it is not simply true. It was not religion alone that got Bush I and II elected; it was race (and the preservation of great private fortunes, the primary factor, incidentally).
http://www.nthposition.com/disneyspreacher.php
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maporsche
 
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Reply Tue 27 Nov, 2007 12:42 pm
I remember hearing quite a bit back from friends and family that they'd never vote for a Democrat because of the abortion issue. If the abortion issue is off the table (both candidates would be pro-choice) I foresee at least 1/3 or more of them voting Democratic.

I find it GREAT that many support Giuliani regardless of his stance on abortion.


I imagine if the choice is between a pro-choice Democrat and a pro-choice Republican you'll see quite a few people who will jump over to the Democratic side, including many Christians who correctly see Democrats as having more values in line with their own (aside from abortion, which would be off the table).
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