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Reply Sat 16 Aug, 2003 09:02 am
A statue with the words St. Joseph de la capell des ex voto

Is it Latin or perhaps French/Italian.

Whichever, can anybode translate please?
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Mon 18 Aug, 2003 09:32 am
"de la capell" sounds like Catalan to me. "of the chapell".

"Ex voto" is Latin, and is used both in Spanish and Catalan. It means "promised offering for a favor received".

So probably the donor of the statue promised to pay for it in exchange for some favor (usually, recovering from an illness).

The "des" in the phrase is what I don't understand.

BTW, welcome to A2K
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petros
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2005 11:02 am
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josephsaint wrote:
A statue with the words St. Joseph de la capell des ex voto

Is it Latin or perhaps French/Italian.

Whichever, can anybode translate please?

I too looked at the words thinking they looked like a mixture of three languages at first glance. But here is a thought - though I do not know how it will resolve "des":
Many Saints are given special appellations in their native land, which are often taken over into other tongues with as little adaptation as possible. Think of all of the words from "St." to "Capell" as a single name, having nothing nescessarily to do with the language of the whole line, and what remains as the line's tongue into which the name is a strnge ingrafting. Perhaps?
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Francis
 
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Reply Mon 1 Aug, 2005 11:18 am
As fbaezer pointed out it's just plain Catalan:

"St Joseph of the ex-voto's chapell"

In French: St Joseph de la chapelle des ex-voto.

fbaezer - the word "des" translates as "de los" in Spanish.
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fbaezer
 
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Reply Tue 2 Aug, 2005 12:06 pm
Francis wrote:
As fbaezer pointed out it's just plain Catalan:

"St Joseph of the ex-voto's chapell"

In French: St Joseph de la chapelle des ex-voto.

fbaezer - the word "des" translates as "de los" in Spanish.


In modern Catalan, it would read "dels".
"des" is French, isn't it?
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Francis
 
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Reply Tue 2 Aug, 2005 12:27 pm
Yes, it is, but also Catalan as it's not a unified language and it differs from place to place.

So, in some places "dels" is "des" as I've often heard.

Catalan stretches from South of France to Catalunya and Valencia region, Baleares, Sardinia, Andorra...
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