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The US, The UN and Iraq

 
 
timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 11:46 am
Blair has hitched his team to Bush's Wagon ... The Brits are in for The Haul, have no doubt.



timber
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Lash Goth
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 11:49 am
Why can't we just crop dust the whole place with sleeping gas?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 01:14 pm
perception

I agree with that, unfortunately he is playing poker with other peoples lives as well

Timber

yeah of course I know that really. I just wish Blair leader of my party and country and a friend of a friend - a junior minister, would have the BALLS to tell GWB where to stick his jdams.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 01:20 pm
<You are still very confused in your thinking>

<I know you are more intelligent than that.>


perception:

While you may have some cogent argument in between these two insults, they preclude me from reading it.

I invited challenges to my logic and you chose to assault my intelligence instead. There's a poster on another forum that does this same thing; you wouldn't happen to be massagattos on Abuzz by any chance, would you?

You really should make a stronger attempt to interface on this board in a more civil manner.

You'll gain extra credibility, not to mention style points, if you succeed.
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trespassers will
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 01:36 pm
PDiddie wrote:
<You are still very confused in your thinking>

<I know you are more intelligent than that.>


trespasser:

While you may have some cogent argument in between these two insults, they preclude me from reading it.

I invited challenges to my logic and you chose to assault my intelligence instead. There's a poster on another forum that does this same thing; you wouldn't happen to be massagattos on Abuzz by any chance, would you?

You really should make a stronger attempt to interface on this board in a more civil manner.

You'll gain extra credibility, not to mention style points, if you succeed.

PDiddie - FYI: I did not write the comments you quoted above. You need to address your response to "perception", not to me. Smile
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 01:44 pm
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And this doesn't matter why?

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"It should be noted," Fleischer said, "that the attempted acquisition of such tubes is prohibited under the United Nations resolutions in any case." U.N. sanctions restrict Iraq's ability to import "dual-use" items that potentially could be used for weapons.


Prohibited is prohibited, period. Rockets or uranium enrichment, Iraq is denied such hardware by International Law. Lots of straws are being grasped at, but I don't see a raft being assembled from them.



timber


Strawman logic!
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 01:48 pm
Bill, how do you determine that to be "Straw Man"? I see it as clearly a "Dual Use" matter, and thus proscribed.



timber
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 01:56 pm
You're the usual suspect, tres.
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 02:12 pm
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Bush said were "used to enrich uranium for a nuclear weapon."

Rice describing the tubes as "only really suited for nuclear weapons programs."

It was by far the most prominent, detailed assertion by the White House

But according to government officials and weapons experts, the claim now appears to be seriously in doubt.

After weeks of investigation, U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq are increasingly confident that the aluminum tubes were never meant for enriching uranium

After weeks of investigation, U.N. weapons inspectors in Iraq are increasingly confident that the aluminum tubes were never meant for enriching uranium

Moreover, there were clues from the beginning that should have raised doubts about claims that the tubes were part of a secret Iraqi nuclear weapons program, according to U.S. and international experts on uranium enrichment. The quantity and specifications of the tubes -- narrow, silver cylinders measuring 81 millimeters in diameter and about a meter in length -- made them ill-suited to enrich uranium without extensive modification, the experts said.

"It may be technically possible that the tubes could be used to enrich uranium," said one expert familiar with the investigation of Iraq's attempted acquisition. "But you'd have to believe that Iraq deliberately ordered the wrong stock and intended to spend a great deal of time and money reworking each piece."

"If the U.S. government puts out bad information it runs a risk of undermining the good information it possesses," said David Albright, a former IAEA weapons inspector who has investigated Iraq's past nuclear programs extensively. "In this case, I fear that the information was put out there for a short-term political goal: to convince people that Saddam Hussein is close to acquiring nuclear weapons."


Fleisher's retort was weak and confutes the issues dramatically. This was the major reason presented by Bush for going to war at the UN, war hinges on this issue - I hope not. IMHO, it negates the the UN resolution - and it puts all facts presented by Bush in question. This is not the only piece of questionable data and obfuscation Bush as done -

Once again, Bush's intentions to go to WAR in this manner is IMMORAL! An immoral war is criminal!
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 02:37 pm
timber, I kept trying to access that Washington Post article and couldn't (through the link I left). I developed my prior agrument after going back to the article directly.

Anyway, I wanted get a good link here and couldn't, but I refound the article on at:

http://www.msnbc.com/news/863567.asp?0si=-

This article goes much further and has many more arguements in it (I just had a thought, I didn't page on the Post, hmmm)

Anyway, I've read more, there are better agruments but Fleisher's argument is still a strawman IMHO. You would get better "factual" arguments further down in the story!
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 02:40 pm
Thanks for the correction, tres...(I told you I didn't read it...)
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 03:10 pm
Appreciate the follow-up, Bill. I don't argue that "The Enrichment Scheme" was a flawed, and doubtless politically motivated argument ... just another not particularly notable blunder among many such by the Bunglers-In_Charge. I sometimes think we go out of our way to cloud the issue. All that notwithstanding, "The Tubes" are clearly "Dual Use" and for that alone and sufficiently, proscribed. It was stiupid and counterproductive to try prematurely and in lack of supportive evidence to claim they were specifically for "Enrichment". That doesn't change the fact their attempted acquisition by Iraq was a No-No. I agree with Albright, who in the last paragraph of the article, says:
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Albright said. "This incident discredits that effort at a time when we can least afford it."


Whether or not we are our own worst enemy, we often fail to be our own best freind.



timber, who edited this post because he forgot to type "think" where he'd thought he'd typed it.

OK, that's the last corection, period. I'll live with it. The above is probably riddled with typos, and I'm tired of dealing with them. Evil or Very Mad
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 04:39 pm
Thanks timber, I found many other arguments in my reread of this article - pro and con. It is a very rich article in my opinion. You can actually see some of the inner workings of the National Security Council in the writeup.
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perception
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 05:03 pm
PDiddie

If you weren't so sensitive and myopic in your view of a valid response you would know that I attempted to address your supposed logic. What you consider logic could be classified as rather shrill rhetoric as if your "battle plan" could not be challenged.

Your "logic" is based on the premise that if he has WoMD he would use them now against our troops in Kuwait. Now what do you think will happen the intant he uses WoMD? This is your LOGIC)))))))?
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 05:16 pm
*If you weren't sensitive
*If you weren't myopic
*in your view
*you would know
*your supposed logic
*What you consider logic
*shrill rhetoric
*if your "battle plan"
*Your "logic" - premise
*? This is your LOGIC))))))?
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perception
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 05:21 pm
BillW

Are you the self elected spokesman for Pdiddie?
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 05:24 pm
Hey, folks ... c'mon, now. Please nock it off or take it outside. I don't wanna have ta call the damned cops. Evil or Very Mad




timber.
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 05:24 pm
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, <sigh>!
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 05:55 pm
I have PM'd perception to resolve his apparent problem with me.

We'll keep our little disagreement off the thread.
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PDiddie
 
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Reply Fri 24 Jan, 2003 07:44 pm
Comments, please, on this:

The bodies of U.S. soldiers killed by chemical or biological weapons in Iraq or future wars may be bulldozed into mass graves and burned to save the lives of surviving troops, under an option being considered by the Pentagon.

Since the Korean War, the U.S. military has taken great pride in bringing home its war dead, returning bodies to next of kin for flag-draped, taps-sounding funerals complete with 21-gun salutes.

But the 53-year-old tradition could come to an abrupt halt if large numbers of soldiers are killed by chemical or biological agents, according to a proposal quietly circulating through Pentagon corridors.

Denver Post
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