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The US, The UN and Iraq

 
 
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2003 06:40 pm
My memory is very poor, but I still remember somebody mentioned "testosterone." This atta makes things clear.

And just a thought for all you women out there:

MENtal illness, MENstrual cramps, MENtal breakdown, MENopause.

Ever notice how all of women's problems start with men?

And when we have real problems, it's HISterectomy!


P.S. Don't forget the "GUY"necologist!
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2003 09:45 pm
It has to, blatham. There is no other direction left for it.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2003 10:35 pm
roger

Very funny! Actually, it's possible I'll be living there in a bit (I'm guessing they don't quite have ready the software to monitor sites like this for people like me - and I'll get across the border).
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roger
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2003 11:25 pm
I'm gonna go tell, blatham.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 06:42 am
Good Morning everyone,
I was half way through this article before my mind began saying "Wait a minute, what country are they inspecting?"

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/23/international/23IRAN.html
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Kara
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 07:36 am
c.i., Laughing

tartarin...me, too. You'll have to figure out what I'm me-tooing. I got your post as an e-mail update but don't see it here yet.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 07:41 am
More nuke fun, in Iran this time, compliments of a helpful Pakistan.

You know, the notion occurs to me now that one could take the rationale behind the 'right to bear arms' and use it to help understand why little countries want to holster up with pearl handled nukes in a world where the Big Guy With the Big Guns is doing the unilateral thing.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 08:13 am
I know you have all missed my erudite inputs, sorry been away, but now I'm back. (Yes I can hear the groans ...)

You guys really get busy when I'm gone, it was about page 230 when I left and now resuming on page 327, what has got you all so agitated?

OK you want to know where I've been. I've been busy. A little weapons inspecting for Dr Blix, and an unscheduled visit to Berlosconi and the Vatican. I had a message for the Holy Father from Osama bin Laden (pbuh), the contents of which are, and will remain, private. For the moment.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 09:15 am
blatham,
Come on down! The government is for ****, the weather is the worse in the world, but hey, we'll all go together when we go. Or as Deb puts it, M.A.D., mutually assured destruction . Meanwhile, there is much to see and do down here.

c.i.,
Yes, and the first thing that I do is visit the local Farmer's Market, or whatever it is called at that place. And watch the people who come to visit it. Speaks volumes. Wish I had pursued anthropology.

And finally, I apologize to all posters, present, past and future, for allowing problems in my personal life to intrude here, and color my posts. Mea culpa.


sumac
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 09:21 am
Steve

My-My you have been a busy little boy----even if we don't ask, I'm sure you will share all your "new found" knowledge and wisdom with us. Tell me, was UBL wailing about his "organization" being in a shambles?
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 09:58 am
sumac

Well, don't we all wish that we weren't otherwise effected during those times when something pops up in our personal lives.

A very good article from the London Review on International Laws regulating war and how this administration is stretching/violating such... a quick excerpt here...
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Donald Rumsfeld's own disdain for international humanitarian law was apparent in January 2002, when suspected Taliban and al-Qaida members were transported to the US naval base in Guantanamo Bay. Ignoring criticism from a number of European leaders, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights and even the normally neutral Red Cross, Rumsfeld insisted the detainees were not prisoners of war and refused to convene the tribunals required under the Geneva Conventions to determine their status. He also ignored advice from the Pentagon's judge advocate generals, and based his decision instead on an analysis provided by White House counsel Alberto Gonzales, a former corporate lawyer from Texas. The suspects, who have still not been charged or granted access to counsel, remain at Guantanamo: at least 14 have attempted suicide.

There is no love lost between the Defense Secretary and his military lawyers. In October 2002, CIA operatives used a Predator drone to track the Taliban leader Mullah Omar to a building in a residential area of Kabul. An air strike was called off because a lawyer at US Central Command was concerned about the risk of disproportionate civilian casualties. According to a report in the New Yorker, the incident left Rumsfeld 'kicking a lot of glass and breaking doors'. The Secretary has subsequently taken steps to reduce the number of lawyers in uniform.

Rumsfeld has also been encouraging a re-evaluation of the prohibition on targeting civilians, particularly with regard to actions directed at shattering support for the opponent regime.

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n04/byer01_.html
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 10:05 am
Another good piece on Blair and his situation in English re Iraq policy...
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...Michael Quinlan, a former Permanent Under-Secretary of State at the Ministry of Defence, writing in the Tablet (1 February):

It has become more and more widely recognised, in much of United States opinion as well as almost overwhelmingly elsewhere, that a regime-changing invasion would carry heavy risks both in direct costs of life, expenditure and social damage, and in possible repercussions for the future running of Iraq, the stability of the region, the campaign against terrorists and the global economy. Scepticism about whether dealing with Saddam Hussein is practically and morally worth the running of these risks has grown as public attention has reflected upon the gravity of the extraordinary step of starting a war more or less in cold blood. The notion of preventive war, to be undertaken without either evidence of imminent attack or urgent humanitarian catastrophe, is profoundly disquieting both in itself and as a concept to be let loose around the world. 'We would surely have pre-empted 11 September had we known' is no argument; we cannot operate on hypotheses of foreseeing the future.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n04/gear01_.html
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sumac
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 10:26 am
Quote:
The Secretary has subsequently taken steps to reduce the number of lawyers in uniform.




Good one, blatham.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 10:28 am
Anyone who is willing to reduce the number of lawyers in the Pentagon certainly has my support !

What is the "international humanitarian law" to which the author of the quoted article in the London Review referred? It sounds very vague and likely is a reference to what the author wants to believe is the law.

It is very far from settled opinion that our incarceration of extra-legal combatants in Gitmo is at all illegal. Moreover in both scope and scale it is a relatively very small reaction to the assaults we have endured compared to the responses of our critics to even moderately analogous terrorist situations. That list includes the UK's extraordianry actions in Northern Ireland during the last several decades, Spain's response to separatist terrorists, and many others.
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 10:38 am
Blatham

Your are relentless---you give new meaning to presenting massive amounts of information to support one side of an argument. The rest of us try to be fair and balanced))))))))
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ul
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 10:48 am
What is international humanitarian law?

International humanitarian law is a set of rules which seek, for humanitarian reasons, to limit the effects of armed conflict. It protects persons who are not or are no longer participating in the hostilities and restricts the means and methods of warfare. International humanitarian law is also known as the law of war or the law of armed conflict.

International humanitarian law is part of international law, which is the body of rules governing relations between States. International law is contained in agreements between States – treaties or conventions –, in customary rules, which consist of State practise considered by them as legally binding, and in general principles.

International humanitarian law applies to armed conflicts. It does not regulate whether a State may actually use force; this is governed by an important, but distinct, part of international law set out in the United Nations Charter.


Where is international humanitarian law to be found?

A major part of international humanitarian law is contained in the four Geneva Conventions of 1949. Nearly every State in the world has agreed to be bound by them. The Conventions have been developed and supplemented by two further agreements: the Additional Protocols of 1977 relating to the protection of victims of armed conflicts.

http://www.icrc.org/Web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/iwpList2/Humanitarian_law:IHL_in_brief
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 11:05 am
Hi Percep

No Usama was considering conversion to Catholicism, but the Pope told him to **** off.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 11:09 am
george and perception

Perhaps you might want to actually read more than the bitty quotes I put in as teasers.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 11:17 am
Ul

Thank you very much for the quotation and link.

Laws and lawyers are really not very important in the grand scheme of things, for sure, and I don't think they are much worth paying attention to. Well, I guess there are some UN resolutions that are important (though not all, god!) and some laws as regards State Security, granted. And treaties that don't get in the way, they are really important.
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perception
 
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Reply Sun 23 Feb, 2003 11:36 am
Steve

I thought maybe he wanted some divine guidance for his next strike.

And---what nuggets do you have for us from the chief Non-inspector ---Dr. Blix?
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