The US, The UN and Iraq

timber, I looked for a link in Google, and found the following that doesn't explain the "French Position." http://history.acusd.edu/gen/20th/suez.html

BTW, as an aside, we visited King Farouk's tomb when we were in Egypt last year. c.i.

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nothing does timber (ie, "date from last week, last year, or even the last generation.") - especially in "Old Europe". Rumps pretty well insured there will be enough bad blood for the next generation also!

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Weren't the French and the UK working together then (re Suez)?

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BBC "Suez Synopsis"

Quote:

The Anglo-French assault upon Egypt, which began on 31 October 1956, provoked a furious response from the USA. President Eisenhower's condemnation of the attack triggered a sterling crisis which forced the government to withdraw from the venture. This angered the French, and further revealed Britain's growing dependence on the support of the US.

The French, already a bit upset with us over North African and Southeast Asian matters, were thoroughly pissed off when we kicked them out of The Suez. The Brits realized they were, for better or worse, married to The US. I suspect none of the parties to that dispute has ever gotten over any of that.

timber

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I see, it's hard to quantify the reaction to our reaction. I just wondered if I had any of the facts wrong. Thanks for clarifying your post, the Suez mess is something I like to point to when people say we support Isreal unconditionally.

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timber, Thanks for providing that info. In the late fifties, I was stationed in Morocco, but wasn't aware of the French Position, and how Ike made them withdraw. I don't think hearing about it since then would have made any difference, and I would have ignored the news anyway. My interest in that region only increased when I visited Egypt five years ago. c.i.

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timber,

Are the following facts correct?

It was Ike AND Russia. Russia was the one who would have bombed them "to kingdom come" and Ike only said that he'd let them.

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HofT wrote:

Trespassers Will - hello? Attacking any person isn't something I can be accused of; kindly read posts carefully. Thank you <G>

It is something you can be accused of, because it is something you did. Here, let me refresh your memory (emphasis mine):

HofT wrote:

Back and able to post for one day I note yet another clown on thread frothing-at-mouth with what HE calls OUR history, as in:

"Had he not preserved the union, Pennsilvania might now be a German colony. Louisianna might be a French colony. "

Lousiana and Pennsylvania say hello to the alleged USAF fighter pilot (no kidding, that's his claim) of excellent education in English other than not knowing that the Louisiana purchase far predates the Civil War, and that his abysmal spelling of U.S. States indicates that his country is not ours.

Additionally, having no CLUE on what nuclear missiles in Cuba entailed - and it wasn't "World Extinction" just communist extinction <G>

Now, maybe that passes for civil and polite in your book, but not in mine. It is exactly the kind of thing the Debate Guidelines ask us to avoid.

Nobody is perfect. Feel free to remind me when I cross the line, but please consider my polite reminder just that, and check the insults at the door. Thanks.

- TW

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You gotta consider too that Golda Mieir was from Milwaukee, too. Cheeseheads can be difficult. She pretty much engineered the Franco/British support which allowed for the adventure. Mr. Green

timber.

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Milwaukee, um i didnt know that. there is a house here in denver where she lived but i dont know the details

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ah found it In 1913, she ran away from home to pursue her education in Denver, Colorado.

She joined her sister Shayna, brother-in-law Sam, and niece Judith at 1606-1608 Julian Street, a modest brick duplex less than a mile from the present Auraria Campus. Golda attended North High School for nearly two years before rejoining her parents in Milwaukee, working part time as a presser for her brother-in-law at Korngold's Cleaning and Pressing Works, near the Brown Palace Hotel.

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Cannot tell who this was directed to, tres, on 2/5/03, but it doesn't sound complimentry.

HofT wrote:

This will be my last post until I return to the U.S. in a couple of weeks - hoping the nation I find will be no worse off for paying ANY ATTENTION WHATSOEVER to posters whose last REGISTERED professional occupation was KGB officer to Soviet troops in Afghanistan serving under the late General Alexander Lebed.

Gen. Lebed, for those unfamiliar with the name, very conveniently (for the above-mentioned posters) died in a helicopter crash couple of years ago in the trans-Siberian province where he served as Governor; he was a true friend of the US - detesting the KGB and its agents - though, alas, he was no economist <G>

Quoting from another thread on this site to which can't post links as writing from an airplane wi-fi connection :

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The great link. Danke shoen, Mr. Hinteler: there are many things I had no idea before.

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we note the name of the author, and his claim to German ethnicity, as well as his inability to write "schoen" except in Soviet maskarovka school spelling in which the "c" is omitted.

UFN (until further notice) leaving this as my legacy to thread: any and all honorable folks here please DO some background checking before taking ANY poster at face value when it comes to matters of war and peace ESPECIALLY when his own kin and kith will be in NO DANGER thanks to US deployment.

Ah, and just to get him worried sick way before Saddam sprays anything in his direction, did anybody check the molecular composition of the structural steel beams on those submarines as they were leaving Emden? Even the US Navy notices missing ships (pace, Blatham!) so they had to get submarines elsewhere <G>

Over and out.

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Steve, liked your post...a while back.

Our son was here this weekend from CA. Criminal defense attorney but was on the side of the law for many years.

We had knock down-drag out arguments while he was here. I am anti-war, if such a simplistic category exists. Son and Father went at me...Oh, you are still Berkeley in the 60's.

Son called me tonight. He had been at an alum gathering in Riverside where Justice Kennedy showed up and talked. Son was in law school at McGeorge in Sacramento when Kennedy taught Con Law. Justice Kennedy was appointed and left to go to Washington but had committed to teach the next year's class in Con Law (my son's class) and came back to teach his class while on the Court, because he had committed. Thus, he became big-time good guy to all of them, in spite of or because of his 200+ IQ.

Kennedy spoke tonight at the alum forum in Riverside and his talk focused on The Dance of the Deaf. He spoke of Big C and little c, in regards to the Constitution and to the little c insititutions that make up our country. The Dance of the Deaf was us, embedded in our culture, trying to talk to, say, Saddam, embedded in his culture.

Shortening story, Son said that his head had been turned around. He said, Mom, it was as if I was struck by white light. I asked him to write up his notes and E them to me. He promised.

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http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/ops/suez.htm

Quote:

Wars are unpredictable; sometimes you don't know the Enemies from the Allies untill the flag goes up.

timber

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Kara, My older brother and my nephew both graduated from McGeorge. My brother ended up as an administrative judge in California, and my nephew is now in private practice. We have not discussed this US-Iraq crisis, because I rarely see them both at the same time. The last meeting was on December 2, when my younger brother was sworn into the State Assembly on December 2 of last year, and we barely had time to say hello. Wink

c.i.

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My oldest living brother and I have always been at opposite poles politically. He's been a staunch Republican, I an independant with liberal tendancies. When it comes to GW Bush and his approach to Iraq we are suddenly on the same page. He disparages the pres's policies the way I do. There is still hope for the boy after all.

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".....still hope for the boy after all." I don't think I'm going to be that lucky. Wink

c.i.

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It only took my brother 58 years to 'see the light.'

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c.i., I had never seen McGeorge until we went out to Mark's graduation, 10 years ago, (although I was born in Sacramento in a memorable year,) and I was impressed with the school.

Mr. K. went to law school, too, at USF, while I was stirring up trouble across the bay in Berkeley.

I know I am focusing on any ray of hope, but I did see, until yesterday, signs that our country's leaders were pausing to sniff the air. But I fear that this Bin Laden tape is a tailor-made bit of whole cloth (maybe?) to bolster the cause of war. They jumped on BL's claiming kinship of purpose with Iraq, which to me is no evidence at all of a direct connection between terrorism and Saddam Hussein, but evidence that we are eager to tar Iraq with terrorism's brush.

Great historical newsclip from Timber, above, about Suez. With imagination and enough will, wars can be averted.

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http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Maine-Iraq.html

AUGUSTA, Maine (AP) -- After an emotional and lengthy debate, the state House approved a resolution Tuesday night urging President Bush to disarm Iraq through the United Nations and without military intervention.

The resolution, amended twice to address the concerns of opponents who derided it as partisan, divisive and ineffectual, was approved 77-66 and sent to the Senate. The measure says Bush should seek no resolution of the Iraqi threat that compromises the safety of Americans.

Supporters said the resolution could become the first addressing the Iraq situation to win final approval by a state lawmaking body. A week ago, Hawaii's House adopted a resolution condemning unilateral action by the U.S. in its efforts to disarm Iraq and North Korea.

Opponents said a state legislature had no business taking up national issues. ``No matter how you try to dress up this fish that's stinking in the sun, this representative's not going to vote for it,'' GOP Rep. Thomas Murphy Jr. said.

But Rep. Tom Watson, a Democrat, said he backed the resolution because he's seen the horrors of war in Vietnam.

``No matter how surgically a war is fought ... war is still a bloody, brutal business that must be avoided at all costs,'' he said.

Maine's legislature has in the past voted on resolutions dealing with such things as the apartheid government in South Africa and the conflicts in Northern Ireland.

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