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Nunquam Retrorsum

 
 
Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 08:41 am
The latin phrase

'nunquam retrorsum'

I've been told it means something like 'no return' or 'no going back'.

Can anyone confirm this?
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Ragman
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 08:44 am
Searching using Google shows: "No one shall cause our retreat" (Latin)

Also roughly translated as "Never retreat".

Motto of 'Les Fusiliers de Mont-Royal', Canadian military.
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Coolwhip
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 11:12 am
Wow, I can't believe I didn't think of doing a google search! Very Happy

Still, I find the translation, and the source, rather odd. It's the slogan for the student community at my school, so that fact that it's a slogan from the Canadian army I find very odd. The 'group' is some 150 years old, but still, it's in Norway(!).
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Ragman
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 11:42 am
Why odd? Schools (particularly private ones) often pattern their spirited mottos after the effort to instill team spirit etc. done in military.

That source was not the only source, BTW.

Oh, you're welcome.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 12:13 pm
Coolwhip wrote:

Still, I find the translation, and the source, rather odd. It's the slogan for the student community at my school, so that fact that it's a slogan from the Canadian army I find very odd. The 'group' is some 150 years old, but still, it's in Norway(!).


Origianally, it's the motto of the Welfs (aka Hannover).

The Canadians got it via Brunswick = Braunschweig = a Welf dukedom.
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Coolwhip
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 12:14 pm
Maybe you're right, I' not really up to date with all aspects of history.

Thanks Ragman. Smile
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 12:18 pm
The full quote, btw, is "Nunquam retrorsum, fortes adiuvat fortuna!" = 'Never backward, luck is with the brave'.
That is the motto of Corps Hannovera Göttingen, one of the oldest German Student Corps, a Studentenverbindung or student corporation founded 18 January 1809 at the Georg August University of Göttingen in the (former) kingdom of Hannover (Welfs :wink: ).
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Coolwhip
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 12:22 pm
Didn't see your post there, walter. Thanks! Just what I was looking for! I don't know if my school has any connection with this movement, historically speaking, but I'll look into it.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 12:27 pm
Actually, it seems that the Welfs used this as their motto since about 900. Or even earlier.
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Coolwhip
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 12:35 pm
Ok, then I doubt there is any historical or ideological connection between the two. Unlikely but not impossible. The school was originally a latin school so it's also possible that there isn't any external connection. But my guess is that they read it in a history book or maybe found the history interesting.
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Coolwhip
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 12:40 pm
Well, now that I know what a latin phrase means I guess the only reasonable thing to do is to tatoo it across my butt-cheek. Preferably accompanied by a huge emerald dragon. Razz
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 12:48 pm
Perhaps you use the following as a master, start a business and send me some royalities?

http://i4.tinypic.com/4mrjia8.jpg http://i11.tinypic.com/4m38do2.jpg


(That's from 17hundred-and something)
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Coolwhip
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 01:28 pm
Woah, thats beautiful! You know where it's from?
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 01:34 pm
That's a spontoon ...
http://i14.tinypic.com/4pjz02e.jpg

... from the time of Duke Karl I
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Coolwhip
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 01:51 pm
I'm impressed on how much you've managed to dig up, walter. But tell me, do you know what the symbols mean(the horse and the oval shape)? Or are they just symbols of the king and queen? (judging from the crowns above the engravings, they might be)
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Mon 3 Sep, 2007 02:07 pm
The horse is the "Lower Saxony Horse".
NB (as opposed to the above wiki article): http://www.crwflags.com/fotw/flags/de-nw-w).html [copy that complete link, included the black ".html"!]- that is more correct!

The double 'C' might be connected to the "Collegium Carolinum" (mentioned in a previous wiki-link, now the [Technical] Brunswick University.
(Though I'm not absolutely sure - but one "C" surely means something "Carolus".

The crown is the 'rank crown' of [German] dukes:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/Herzog.jpg
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frankspinz
 
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Reply Sat 24 Nov, 2007 05:06 pm
Source of info please
Wow ! I'm amazed by what I'm reading here! I served in The Fusiliers Mont-Royal and never gave our motto a second thought. To find it dates more than a century is quite a revelation. I'd like to prepare a little presentation on the subject - could I have your sourced to the pics & info ? Great find !!!
motorace
 
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Reply Tue 2 Jun, 2015 11:34 pm
@frankspinz,
I came here looking for a translation of "Nunquam retrorsum" because that is the Motto of the city of New Rochelle, NY.
New Rochelle was settled beginning in 1688 - mostly by French Huguenots (French Protestants - many from the town of Rochelle, France) who were fleeing religious persecution from French Catholics...

So the motto may have meant something like 'Never look back' or 'Never return' for them... rather than 'Never Retreat' as they were not the aggressors in a battle, but rather looking to establish a new life in a new land... In that sense it might also have implied "Have no regrets".


ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 3 Jun, 2015 07:52 am
@motorace,
You would benefit from reading the whole thread. It is not a very long one.
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