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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 12:47 pm
It is important that he try/tries to study often.

Which verb should I use?

Many thanks.
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Shapeless
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 12:49 pm
The correct verb is "try," since the sentence takes the subjunctive mood.
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Yoong Liat
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 12:53 pm
Shapeless wrote:
The correct verb is "try," since the sentence takes the subjunctive mood.


Could you please tell me briefly what 'subjunctive mood' is? And what is indicative mood?
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Shapeless
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 01:13 pm
The subjunctive mood can be a rather difficult concept. Very generally speaking, it is used in relative clauses that express formal commands, requests, or desires:

"It is imperative that you be there tomorrow."
(Formal command)

"I ask that you be on time tomorrow."
(Request)



These sentences are in the simple present subjunctive, but the subjunctive mood can be used for any of the other standard (indicative) verb tenses.

You can find a basic overview of the subjunctive here; it explains things much more thoroughly than I can.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 02:06 pm
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It is important that he try/tries to study often.


If you're talking to the parent of a student, you would say, "It is important that he try to study often and not cram at the last minute."

If you were talking to a person who was evaluating this student, you might say, "He tries to study often, but he's easily distracted."
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Aa
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 03:10 pm
Another function of the subjunctive mood, as I recall this grammarian's delight, is the expression of improbability or impossibility.

Example:

"If I were a capybara, I would keep track of what Gus is doing."
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McTag
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 03:44 pm
All very true, but in all but very formal language the subjunctive would be ignored.

Most people would say "If I was you" or "If it was me,.." rather than "If I were you" or " If it were me,..."

In most cases, imho, they are interchangeable nowadays.
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Yoong Liat
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 09:15 pm
Shapeless wrote:
The subjunctive mood can be a rather difficult concept. Very generally speaking, it is used in relative clauses that express formal commands, requests, or desires:

"It is imperative that you be there tomorrow."
(Formal command)

"I ask that you be on time tomorrow."
(Request)



These sentences are in the simple present subjunctive, but the subjunctive mood can be used for any of the other standard (indicative) verb tenses.

You can find a basic overview of the subjunctive here; it explains things much more thoroughly than I can.


Thank you very much for the information on subjunctive.
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username
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 09:26 pm
I'd say they're both correct, but have different shades of meaning.

"It is important that he try to study often" emphasizes the value of study, and the attempt to study. It says nothing about whether or not he actually tries to study--it just says that it's important that he should study.

"It is important that he tries to study often" is not a subjunctive because the implication is that he actually is acting--it is a report of his real behavior--he is trying to study often, and that is important (because it means he's more likely to get into Harvard, maybe).
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Yoong Liat
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 09:36 pm
username wrote:
I'd say they're both correct, but have different shades of meaning.

"It is important that he try to study often" emphasizes the value of study, and the attempt to study. It says nothing about whether or not he actually tries to study--it just says that it's important that he should study.

"It is important that he tries to study often" is not a subjunctive because the implication is that he actually is acting--it is a report of his real behavior--he is trying to study often, and that is important (because it means he's more likely to get into Harvard, maybe).


I've read in an English usage book that both verbs are correct. However, it is not stated that there's a difference in meaning.
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