Karl Rove Leaving the White House (WSJ)

Unfortunately true -- I did want to write the epitaph to this whole debacle but we'll probably all be dead by that time.

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Whats funny is that you guys have been trying to get him since 2001 and have failed at every try.

Now you think he will be easier to get?
Somehow I dont think he will be.

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I'm guessing that bush supporters are proud of the fact that karl made his mark with the campaign against Ann Richards by implying that Richards staff was comprised of lesbians. Of course it was only an implication there were never any facts involved.

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It's get or be gotten, MM.

His object all along has been to create a one party rule for this country. Unfortunately he picked a party which professes to believe that government is not part of the problem it is the problem and now that he has gotten them elected both he and they have found out that they are not capable of running a government.

Or a war, or hurricane disaster relief, or the Veteran's Administration Hospitals or the National Park Service or the Department of Justice or

ah well...

Joe(we be gotten)Nation

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dyslexia wrote:

I'm guessing that bush supporters are proud of the fact that karl made his mark with the campaign against Ann Richards by implying that Richards staff was comprised of lesbians. Of course it was only an implication there were never any facts involved.

The fact that she was a grandmother and a heterosexual provided her a false sense of security.

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Karl's next project will be to make a silk purse out of the sow's ear of this presidency.

I wonder if he understands yet that it does no good if a party gains power but is controlled by incompetents.

Joe(or he may know that, but not care)Nation

Oh, and they can't run foreign policy or energy policy worth a damn either.

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My guess is he needs time to work with the republican candidate for president. Makes sense, since Bush can't run so why is Rove there now? Guess they figure he'll do more good for the party working on the 08 election.

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dyslexia wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
I'm guessing that bush supporters are proud of the fact that karl made his mark with the campaign against Ann Richards by implying that Richards staff was comprised of lesbians. Of course it was only an implication there were never any facts involved.

The fact that she was a grandmother and a heterosexual provided her a false sense of security.

Indeed.

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dyslexia wrote:

dyslexia wrote:
I'm guessing that bush supporters are proud of the fact that karl made his mark with the campaign against Ann Richards by implying that Richards staff was comprised of lesbians. Of course it was only an implication there were never any facts involved.

The fact that she was a grandmother and a heterosexual provided her a false sense of security.

Very good.

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Karl Rove
Karl Rove is an ideologue who cared only about transforming the Republican Party into a permanent majority party. He used "slash and burn" tactics to divide the country and to destroy the Democratic Party. Being a Republican chauvinist, he doesn't care about the country, only his Party.

He chose George W. Bush as both a governor and president candidate because he believed Bush had charisma. He didn't care about competence. He only cared about finding a candidate who could win elections. He didn't care if Bush could competently govern the country.

Karl Rove reminds me of Yasser Arafat, who was a successful terrorist but didn't know how to govern when he gained power. As a result, he destroyed the State he strove to create.

Karl Rove has done the same thing. He has damaged the Republican Party for years to come. He has weakened our country, our world reputation and our economic security. He used fear tactics against our citizens to garner votes. He divided our country when we must come together to defeat terrorism tactics used against us and others.

Karl Rove is not alone in this destruction. It was Bush, Cheney and the Neocons who created the insane policies we've suffered. Karl Rove was just the con-man enabler who sold the insanity to the public. It was the Religious Right Republican Base who, like sheep, gave these idiots the power to impose their will on our country.

Enjoy your retirement, Karl Rove, as you make lots of money and write a book selling your myths about the Bush presidency and your handiwork. Your reputation will go down in infamy.

BBB

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Neocon Bill Kristol: Rove's departure 'odd' and puzzling David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Tuesday August 14, 2007

Neoconservative Bill Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, appeared on Fox News Monday to express his surprise at the sudden departure of Karl Rove from the White House, scheduled for the end of August.

"September's going to be an important month," said Kristol. "General Petraeus comes back to report on the surge, huge fight in Congress, big budget fight. ... I would not have been surprised if he had announced that he was going to leave around Thanksgiving ... but September's an awfully crucial month for the Bush legacy. ... I and a lot of other people in Washington are puzzled as to why he would leave now."

Although denying any insider knowledge of the circumstances, Kristol did proceed to toss out a series of speculations: "Maybe he just, you know, was worn out. ... He does have a lot of legal challenges. ... Maybe there's something we don't know about that will come out soon. ... Maybe they just decided he was becoming a burden. ... Maybe they have a sense that in September, with General Petraeus coming up, they want to sort of remove some of that old partisan baggage, try to reach out to some Democrats."

"It is odd," Kristol acknowledged. "If I were President Bush, going into the biggest fight, arguably, of my presidency in September ... I think I would want Karl Rove with me in the West Wing."

"I'm stunned you didn't know," host Shepard Smith told Kristol. "That tells me there's something else going on here. Is that fair?"

"Could be. Could be," Kristol answered, telling Smith that "they were interviewing people for jobs, Karl was, jobs on his staff, as recently as two or three weeks ago. So either he was keeping his cards awfully close to his chest, or he made this decision pretty recently."

The following video is from Fox's Studio B, broadcast on August 13.

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Bill_Kristol_puzzled_by_timing_of_0814.html

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Bush's brain is leaving. Thus, we will be left with the lame brain.

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Blueflame
English language is at best from this guy who had aired his views about the person of this thread.

"But of course, for all the media oxygen it has consumed -- and will continue to consume -- Rove's departure is small potatoes. Despite his vaunted "genius" for political skulduggery, in the end Rove too is a drab factotum, a bagman, a greasy cog in a vast machine that will keep grinding on, killing and corrupting, without him. (Assuming that Rove is actually stepping away from the machine, which is most unlikely.) Stories of far greater significance than the slinking exit of a dirt-smeared toady have appeared in the last two days -- items far more revelatory of the hellish world that the porcine minion has helped make on behalf of his masters.

http://www.chris-floyd.com/

"Let the passions and bonds pass-by
Who has lived in this land forever?
Path of arrival is known - but
Path of departure and the route unknown.
If all who came opt to stay
Where's the space in this sphere?
Life is just a business -in which
the birth is credit and death is debit. "
Kannadasan

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blueflame1 wrote:

Neocon Bill Kristol: Rove's departure 'odd' and puzzling David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Tuesday August 14, 2007

Neoconservative Bill Kristol, editor of the Weekly Standard, appeared on Fox News Monday to express his surprise at the sudden departure of Karl Rove from the White House, scheduled for the end of August.

"September's going to be an important month," said Kristol. "General Petraeus comes back to report on the surge, huge fight in Congress, big budget fight. ... I would not have been surprised if he had announced that he was going to leave around Thanksgiving ... but September's an awfully crucial month for the Bush legacy. ... I and a lot of other people in Washington are puzzled as to why he would leave now."

Although denying any insider knowledge of the circumstances, Kristol did proceed to toss out a series of speculations: "Maybe he just, you know, was worn out. ... He does have a lot of legal challenges. ... Maybe there's something we don't know about that will come out soon. ... Maybe they just decided he was becoming a burden. ... Maybe they have a sense that in September, with General Petraeus coming up, they want to sort of remove some of that old partisan baggage, try to reach out to some Democrats."

"It is odd," Kristol acknowledged. "If I were President Bush, going into the biggest fight, arguably, of my presidency in September ... I think I would want Karl Rove with me in the West Wing."

"I'm stunned you didn't know," host Shepard Smith told Kristol. "That tells me there's something else going on here. Is that fair?"

"Could be. Could be," Kristol answered, telling Smith that "they were interviewing people for jobs, Karl was, jobs on his staff, as recently as two or three weeks ago. So either he was keeping his cards awfully close to his chest, or he made this decision pretty recently."

The following video is from Fox's Studio B, broadcast on August 13.

To quote Dorothy Parker on Lillian Hellman, "Every word she writes is a lie. Including "a" and "the".

I believe perhaps 10% of Kristol's verbal output. But the above falls in that 10%. The timing here is odd and surprising, for the reasons Kristol notes. And his suppositions on possible motive(s) look pretty sound to me.

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Conservatives do tend to lie. Look at the lies leading congress to give Bush power to invade Iraq. Subsequently, we had the swift-boaters, who successfully diminished Kerry, a true war hero, and Cleland, who lost limbs in Nam.

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Roves saw George Bush and said "I will make him president." It didn't matter that the candidate he chose was an incompetent nincompoop.

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There are still so many ifs about the upcoming election, I don't have the certitude to proclaim the Dems will win. Even if they prevail, they are not the Dems I have followed. Clinton knew the nation was leaning to the right and made Republican issues his own. There has been a shift away from many Democrat favorite issues. The only way for the party to be strong will be to shift likewise. I don't see anyone restoring the common American to the center of the political arena in the foreseeable future.

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Interesting analysis, joe, but the trend continuing is a mighty big IF. The 2006 mid-term elections should have accomplished more than they did in terms of a statement to the current Congress and the focus of it's efforts. I think many moderate Republicans and Democrats are squarely back on the fence along with the Independents with regards to 2008 Presidential support and will look closely at individual candidates in the Congressional races over blindly supporting one party or another. Frustration over politics as usual, regardless of the party in power is only going to continue to grow (she says, hopefully).

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