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Is anyone else worried about the bees?

 
 
Thomas
 
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Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2007 02:22 pm
littlek wrote:
But, the honey bees we have are non-native. I like them, but they are here to help non-native crops from europe to pollinate. We had fruit pollinating without them before they were imported. Things will be different if they leave us all together, but we'll still have fruit.

The problem with this point is that according to Sozobe's article, native wild bee colonies are collapsing just as honey bee colonies are. Therefore, if the honey bee were to go extinct in America -- which I expect they won't -- native American bee species probably would, too.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2007 06:46 pm
I started this thread and then got my New Yorker. I was very surprised and pleased to find this article:

It points to a virus.

Joe(kind of a AIDs for bees)Nation

Dept. of Entomology
Stung
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2007 06:54 pm
Forgot about that. (Have that issue, haven't read the article.) Won't read it now -- I need to pace myself (I don't get my next issue until next Wednesday if I'm lucky or Thursday if I'm not!) I'll check back when I have.
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msolga
 
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Reply Sat 4 Aug, 2007 10:29 pm
Sign of the times.: I was absolutely thrilled to see one just solitary bee hovering around my flowering Rosemary bush this afternoon! I hope it's relatives come & visit my garden this summer.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 04:11 am
Me too.

http://www.washington-heights.us/history/archives/images/HeatherGarden.jpg

We walked through the Ft. Tryon Heather Garden on our way back home after lunch and I found myself looking for bees.

Joe(none seen)Nation
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farmerman
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 06:35 am
You all know how notoriously bad MAPQUEST is? My theory is that bees were busy downloading Mapquest directions and getting all screwed up


Farmer(no need to look for exotic stuff) man
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Eva
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 10:08 am
farmerman wrote:
...Joe will need to strap on some wings and flit from apple blossom to apple blossom , and bluberry to blueberry. Otherwise train some cats.


Bees scare the bejesus outta me, but both of these ideas are even more frightening. Thanks a lot. I'm gonna have nightmares now. Confused
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 06:04 pm
Eva wrote:
farmerman wrote:
...Joe will need to strap on some wings and flit from apple blossom to apple blossom , and bluberry to blueberry. Otherwise train some cats.


Bees scare the bejesus outta me, but both of these ideas are even more frightening. Thanks a lot. I'm gonna have nightmares now. Confused


I got the wings and I have always been good at flitting from apple blossom to apple blossom, so to speak, so I thought the berry thing would be a snap, however, perhaps it is age or my inability to properly judge windspeed but I had a horrible time going from blueberry to blueberry.

I'm practicing now with larger targets, that's right, basketballs.

We put four hundred basketballs on a tennis court and I was able to pollinate nearly 350 of them.

Don't ask with what.

Joe(boy are my arms tired)Nation
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Eva
 
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Reply Mon 6 Aug, 2007 08:23 pm
Oh, you're flittin' us alright. Laughing






(Next he's gonna tell us cats were involved.)
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2007 04:32 am
msolga wrote:
Sign of the times.: I was absolutely thrilled to see one just solitary bee hovering around my flowering Rosemary bush this afternoon! I hope it's relatives come & visit my garden this summer.


I hate it when I reread something I posted & discover I've somehow said a quite dorky thing by mistake! Embarrassed I meant to say: "I was thrilled to see just one solitary bee ...." Not what I actually said.
OK, fixed now! Very Happy




Please continue .....
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2007 07:01 am
I finished the NYer article. I have a hard time with Elizabeth Kolbert. I haven't quite decided what I think about her. Her mission is to raise awareness about the dangers to our world, especially global warming. I think that is, overall, a very laudable goal.

She writes in an engaging and factual way -- also good.

What bothers me is that she seems to omit or marginalize the facts that indicate that maybe the sky isn't actually falling right this minute.

It's a long article, with a whole lot of scary stuff about CCD, and how it might be caused by certain new kinds of pesticides and other varied this-is-why-it's-happening-now explanations, and then she tosses off a parenthetical on the last page about how die-offs have happened 14 times in the last century. Exclamation That's kind of major. If bees have been able to come back from this 14 times, maybe they can come back from it a 15th time and this isn't so so so horrible...?? (And that has something to do with how far back records have been kept, not that the die-offs STARTED in 1900 or whatever...)

I get that she feels like people have to be whapped over the head to pay attention to the actual seriousness of some of these actual issues, but the whapping I see makes me somewhat skeptical of what she has to say, as a whole.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2007 07:12 am
sozobe wrote:
I finished the NYer article. I have a hard time with Elizabeth Kolbert. I haven't quite decided what I think about her. Her mission is to raise awareness about the dangers to our world, especially global warming. I think that is, overall, a very laudable goal.

Ha! Now I know why Kolbert's style sounded familiar to me. It's your global warming thread from a few years ago, isn't it? I know the essays you started it with came from the New Yorker. But I don't remember if Kolbert was their author. Was she?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2007 07:18 am
Yep.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2007 07:52 am
Yes, it's the same style as in her global warming article. It's kind of hard to find fault in what she writes itself. She obviously cares about her subject, obviously works very hard, and shuns sensationalism in what she writes. What made her global warming articles needlessly alarmist was what she left out. (I suspect her bee article has the same problem, though I don't know enough about bees to be sure.) The root problem, I suspect is that she is weak at thinking analytically; as a result, she piles anectdote upon anectdote and quotation of smart people upon quotation, with no sense of priority.

In search of a better-organized account, I Google-Scholar-ed for "colony collapse disorder" and found the following briefing paper for Congress by the American Federation of Scientists. It gave me a much better sense of what's going on with the honey bees. (PDF file) Unfortunately, it is barely less alarming than Ms. Kolbert's article -- especially since nobody seems to know yet where the collapses come from. I am now officially more worried than when I first visited this thread.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2007 09:44 am
Once Joe gets the pollination of basketballs down pat, hell begin on other less visible fruitflowers . (HEY WAITA MINIT_BASKETBALLS AINT FLOWERS).
Joe will have to practice on dropping his pollen bombs of things like hubcaps, then down to Snapple Lids , then hell need to train a vast army of volunteers willing to pollinate for all humankind.


Joe will go down in the book as one of the greats,
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2007 09:52 am
Historical Side Note:

Eastern American Indian tribes referred to European honey bees as "white man's flies" and noted when the bees appeared the settlers would follow.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2007 10:40 am
Why can't flowers learn to spread their own darn pollen?

That's what I do.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 7 Aug, 2007 02:42 pm
canadian APICULTURISTS have a somewhat less alarming reading on the die-off of bees .
fairly detailed report at link below .
hbg

Quote:
Though high losses for individual producers may occur in any given year, high regional losses are of much greater concern. Across the country any unusually high losses have been investigated by provincial apicultural specialists. Initial indications suggest that high wintering losses may be attributed to some identifiable causes:

1. Ineffective control for the parasitic mite Varroa destructor. In many regions, this mite has now developed multiple pesticide resistance. This is making it increasingly complex for producers to monitor and treat these pest populations effectively.



2. Unusual fall and winter weather. Some regions of the country experienced warm fall and winter weather. These conditions contributed to build-up of higher than normal parasitic mite loads. In some areas, prolonged nectar availability until late into the fall also delayed the window in which mite controls could be applied. In other regions, inadequate nectar flows during fall months prevented sufficient bee population build-up prior to winter. The deviations in normal seasonality may also have affected the natural production of "winter bees" physiologically adapted to survive winter conditions.


3. A late wet spring in most areas prolonging winter conditions for bees and their access to suitable spring forage.



link to full report :
CANADIDIAN BEES
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 04:13 am
Thank you Thomas for posting the PDF above. It confirmed my "we don't know what but something is going on" feeling. As with so many modern maladies, colony collapse seems get accelerated by how fast and far humans now go. (and in what conditions they carry the bees along.) I'm very suspicious of the trailer truck transportation, can't say why because I don't know, other than to think that packing all those bees together and then driving them 1000 miles doesn't seem like a positive natural condition.
(The first dancers come back early in the morning and report that once again the whole world has changed outside and that all of the sunflowers have disappeared being replaced by blueberry bushes.)

The most ominous thing that the Stung article (New Yorker, above) points to is that the dead bees that are found, and there are not so many of them considering that millions are missing in action, appear not to have one malady, but ALL of them. As is they have been put in a world for which they have no defenses.

Joe(and the wild bees are gone?)Nation
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 8 Aug, 2007 09:53 am
I read Stung (same qualms, and then qualms about my qualms); now to read Thomas' pdf link, probably to develop more quality qualms.
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