age of consent

cyphercat wrote:

You keep talking about post-pubescence, but you also say 12-13 is the age you are interested in. How can you try to claim that this age range is generally post-pubescent??

Sorry, I wasn't being very precise with my terminology. The age range I'm most interested in is probably more like 12-16ish, so to be precise I'd say I'm attracted to both pubescent and post-pubescent girls (not pre-pubescent girls).

[. . .] let me just emphasise that I really honestly didn't choose to be the way I am. It might be pathological... I don't believe that it is, but I could well be wrong. But I am genuinely attracted to girls of that age, and I can't help it (as far as I'm aware). I'm sure you all realise that, but I just thought I'd be clear because some people might think that my desires are somehow immoral. Acting on my desires is arguably immoral, but my desires themselves are accidental and so I am not doing anything 'wrong' merely holding those desires and not acting on them.[/b]

Having sex with female children does increase their risk of cervical cancer.

Children of age 10-18, do not have full executive functioning of their brains. They are functioning in a similar state as a person who has had a frontal lobe brain injury. The reason the law states that they cannot give consent is because their brains are not "grown up" yet.

1) Consent is not what's important.

Whether sex with minors causes harm is all that matters. You don't have to consent to a birthday present. Birthday presents are not abusive because they are not harmful. If you're right about the cancer risk, then that's very important.

2) Children of age 10-18 can consent to haircuts, sandwiches, invitations, exams, and lots of other things. Why does consent to sex require full executive functioning?

Are you able to admit that a child who is not even through with puberty is not ready for sexual activity?

You are considering acting on these desires. You MUST give up making arguments and justifications, and accept that your desire to do this is clouding your judgement, and get help before you convince yourself that this is okay.

sozobe wrote:

You are proposing that you are able to make the determination ahead of time.

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What determination?

The determination as to whether the girl in question will end up enjoying the experience or be damaged by the experience. You seem to be willing to risk it. That's chilling.

The consequences of you making the WRONG determination -- of deciding that she'll enjoy it, and being proven wrong -- are so far beyond the consequences of being taken to a movie that turns out to be boring. Do you see this, at all?

(Fishin's doing a far better job than I am of trying to talk some sense into you so I'll defer to him.)

You continue to ignore what everyone has told you to the effect that a 13 year old girl is not capable of giving her informed consent.

You continue to argue this and many other points...

If you truly had an affectionate regard for a 13 year old, would you be willing to wait until she were 18 years of age to consummate a sexual relationship?

Rather, you would want to insist upon the sexual relationship now, because it is the pubescent girl which attracts you, and not the person. This is about the most blatantly egregious example of objectifying a female (one can hardly call a 13 year old a woman) of which i can think.

Objectifying a woman, or female child of 13, is not evidence that you hate them, it is simply evidence that you don't see them as real people. It is evidence that the only thing which matters to you is tickling your penis in a particular way with a particular category of female--not a person whom you love, just someone who meets a particular description.

You are a f*cking idiot--you are way off the deep end. One can only hope that you get locked up for something else before you act on your fantasies and rape a child emotionally and physically, all the while telling yourself it's OK.

You're one sick puppy. I'm through with you.

http://www.wccf.org/pdf/dahl.pdf
http://www.actforyouth.net/documents/may02factsheetadolbraindev.pdf

and off the american cancer site...http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/prevention/cervical/Patient/page2

Sexual History: HPV infections that cause cervical cancer are spread mainly through sexual contact. Women who begin having sexual intercourse at an early age and women who have had many sexual partners are at a greater risk of HPV infection and developing cervical cancer. Some methods used to prevent sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) reduce the risk of cervical cancer. The use of barrier methods of birth control and/or gels that kill sperm offer some protection but do not completely protect against STDs.

fishin wrote:

The DSM-IV lists the 8 most prevelant paraphillas. That doesn't mean that there aren't others.

Nor does it mean that ephebophilia is one of the others.

That website just describes what ephebophilia is. Where does it say that I have some kind of mental problem?

The determination as to whether the girl in question will end up enjoying the experience or be damaged by the experience. You seem to be willing to risk it. That's chilling.

The consequences of you making the WRONG determination -- of deciding that she'll enjoy it, and being proven wrong -- are so far beyond the consequences of being taken to a movie that turns out to be boring. Do you see this, at all?

So, your attraction isn't strong enough to go through the people responsible for the welfare of the child?

Children cannot give consent as I have already stated. Sex without consent is rape. Therefore sex with a minor is rape. Clear enough?

The 2 brain development sites are easy reading, but you need to read them.

I guess my question to you is what happened to you at 12-13 that might be tied to this desire?