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Surge Succeeds

 
 
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 08:44 am
cjhsa wrote:
News from folks fighting over there is "the hunting is good".

Yeah, and I'm sure the news from the folks working at Enron was "we're doing great!"

The troops on the ground can certainly give a pretty good account of the events that they witness, but that's not the entire story of the war. Indeed, even if we gathered all of the accounts of all of the military personnel involved in the conflict, that combined version of events still wouldn't be the entire story of the war. As Clausewitz famously opined, "war is politics by other means." And the soldiers on the ground don't have a privileged vantage point with regard to the political side of the Iraq war.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 08:45 am
cjhsa wrote:
I saw that article in the NYTimes. Apparently they are so desperate for sources they have to cross the pond to find anyone willing to talk to them. News from folks fighting over there is "the hunting is good".


The news from shiite insurgents, apparently, is that "the hunting is good."
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 08:47 am
The defeatest attitude of the Cubs fan is entirely fitting. Laughing
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 08:48 am
cjhsa wrote:
I saw that article in the NYTimes. Apparently they are so desperate for sources they have to cross the pond to find anyone willing to talk to them. News from folks fighting over there is "the hunting is good".


Actually this British commander was talking a few hundred US-soldiers who .... well, use a "different tactic", as opposed to the 8,000 British and other NATO-soldiers, in whose section they operate.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 08:53 am
Soon to withdraw from Iraq, we spit on the Britoweenies. Tea-sipping surrender ostriches.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 9 Aug, 2007 10:06 am
To peggy-back on joe's post above, the soldiers are also not privy to the information about the suffering of the Iraqi people as a whole such as how many are getting killed every day, how many are starving, how many are doing without electricity and gas, and the number displaced by this war.
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blatham
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2007 09:37 am
As President Bush put it in a speech at a high school in May of 2005
(the following is excerpted from the White House site
Quote:
See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda. (Applause.)
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/05/20050524-3.html

Today, again, Bush repeated that "the surge is working".
Quote:
Bush touts surge progress in weekly address
By Andy Barr
August 11, 2007
President Bush told the nation Saturday that progress is being made in Iraq and Afghanistan.
The surge in Iraq, Bush said in his weekly radio address, "is seizing the initiative from the enemy and handing it to the Iraqi people." One positive aspect of the initiative, the president stated, is that more Iraqis are coming forward to U.S. troops with intelligence on terrorists hiding within the population.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/bush-touts-surge-progress-in-weekly-address-2007-08-11.html

Repetition of a brand name or a message is fundamental marketing strategy. The use of it by this administration is ubiquitous and completely predictable.

And as Bush says, it is propaganda.

It does not matter if the repeated phrase or message or implication is true/accurate or not. Blondes do not necessarily have more fun, after all. The purpose here is not truth-telling or citizen-informing. The purpose is manipulation of perception and, hopefully, manufacturing consensus/belief to facilitate an administration policy.

What we can predict, with certainty near the 100% range, is that this administration and those speaking for it in the military, in government, in the media, and elsewhere WILL continue to repeat that "the surge is working" regardless of all else.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 11 Aug, 2007 12:32 pm
And Bush's propaganda is working too! His rating is going back up. Reveals a whole lot about the ignorance of the American populace.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2007 09:31 am
This surge provides another fine exercise in propaganda-watching.

The fundamental talking-point is, of course, precisely as we see it in the title of this thread, "the surge is succeeding". Whether this is accurate is totally irrelevant because the political strategies and perceived needs trump.

The WH is utilizing two fundamental marketing techniques to push this talking-point, repetition and validation by 'third parties' (fake 'news' outlets, allied pundits, 'experts', etc).

Another aspect to watch for is the recent "we expect the enemy to mount their own surge". This is effectively pre-emptive...if things get worse and attacks continue to increase, then WH spokespeople can try to cover over what might more appropriately be perceived as evidence the surge isn't working as clear evidence that the enemy is scared and losing and trying desperate measures as a last resort, etc. We've seen rather a lot of this sort of spin/deceit previously. At the very least, the WH will hope that any increase in violence can be negated in the public mind.

There's another aspect to that one as well. The stated (by WH and Pentagon) reason that the insurgency (which is, of course, al qaeda again, and not an insurgency any longer) will attempt a surge is in order to influence the opinion of congress and the american public. And that leads immediately into the PR response, when news or individuals suggest that the equation/conclusing [rise in violence = surge not working] is a near-treasonous forwarding of the enemies goals and plans. We've seen this one often as well.

And we can expect, with near 100% certainty I think, that the following will appear increasingly towards the next election...
Quote:
Top general may propose pullbacks
Petraeus is expected to tell Congress that Iraqis can assume duties in some areas, freeing U.S. troops for other uses.
By Julian E. Barnes and Peter Spiegel, Los Angeles Times Staff Writers
August 15, 2007

WASHINGTON -- --
Intent on demonstrating progress in Iraq, the top U.S. general there is expected by Bush administration officials to recommend removing American troops soon from several areas where commanders believe security has improved, possibly including Al Anbar province.

According to the officials, Gen. David H. Petraeus is expected to propose the partial pullback in his September status report to Congress, when both the war's critics and supporters plan to reassess its course. Administration officials who support the current troop levels hope Petraeus' recommendations will persuade Congress to reject pressure for a major U.S. withdrawal.


The WH and Pentagon will be in receipt of polling data far in excess of what the rest of us are, given that they pay the big bucks to contracted consulting agencies for constant research into perceptions and opinions. Bush talks the independent and resolute and unifluenced by polls talk but that's only because opinion research and polls demonstrates he will be generally thought of more positively if he puts up that facade. )You gotta love the guy for being such a consistent dick).

But they KNOW that nothing very positive (as regards PR/polling) will happen in September and 2008 unless some drawdown can be put forward to match (or to pretend to match) citizen wishes.
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2007 09:43 am
None of what's actually going on in Iraq matters, because...

LaTimes

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Despite Bush's repeated statements that the report will reflect evaluations by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, administration officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government.


The Bush WH will be presenting a report with Petraeus' name on it. It will be nothing more then a PR document, with little to no relation to reality.

This was predictable, and predicted, by me long ago.

Cycloptichorn
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squinney
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2007 09:52 am
I was just coming in here to say the exact same thing. That part, about the WH writing the report, was of course way down on page two of the online article.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2007 10:32 am
Cycloptichorn wrote:
None of what's actually going on in Iraq matters, because...

LaTimes

Quote:
Despite Bush's repeated statements that the report will reflect evaluations by Petraeus and Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, administration officials said it would actually be written by the White House, with inputs from officials throughout the government.


The Bush WH will be presenting a report with Petraeus' name on it. It will be nothing more then a PR document, with little to no relation to reality.

This was predictable, and predicted, by me long ago.

Cycloptichorn


Me too! I saw this coming from ten miles away. As I've said often, generals can only make names for themselves by being involved in an active war; general Petreaus is no different.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2007 04:46 pm
Thanks, guys. I hadn't read the entire piece when I posted.

Here's a bit I really like...
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The senior administration official said the process had created "uncomfortable positions" for the White House because of debates over what constitutes "satisfactory progress."

During internal White House discussion of a July interim report, some officials urged the administration to claim progress in policy areas such as legislation to divvy up Iraq's oil revenue, even though no final agreement had been reached. Others argued that such assertions would be disingenuous.


Disingenuousness avoidance. That's the signature characteristic of this administration, no question.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2007 05:25 pm
From a Weekly Standard blog...
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He concurred with some of the recent comments of American leaders in Iraq, that a sort-of 'Mini-Tet' offensive by insurgents would be no surprise in advance of the September 15 deadline. (It may already have begun.) He said that the insurgency has demonstrated an understanding of the U.S. media, which tends to 'inflate the day's activities and overcome the successes.' He said that it behooves U.S. officials to think things through carefully.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Weblogs/TWSFP/TWSFPView.asp#2145
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2007 05:29 pm
And, from The American Conservative, another indication of how Iraq has helped foment rather serious divisions within the conservative movement...
Quote:

http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2007_07_30/article2.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2007 05:29 pm
Petraeus is saying we shouldn't leave Iraq quckly. We all knew that, right?


Petraeus prepares troop reduction plan


By STEVEN R. HURST, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 35 minutes ago



BAGHDAD - The top American commander in Iraq said Wednesday he was preparing recommendations on troop reductions before he returns to Washington next month for a report to Congress. He predicted the U.S. footprint in Iraq would have to be "a good bit smaller" by next summer.

But Gen. David Petraeus cautioned against a quick or significant U.S. withdrawal that could surrender "the gains we have fought so hard to achieve."

ci: There really is no "achievement." All the surge has accomplished is to let the insurgents and sectarian violence rest for awhile. Nothing more.


He declined to offer specifics on upcoming recommendation. The report, expected next month, is seen as a potential roadmap for U.S. military and diplomatic policies in Iraq.
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blatham
 
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Reply Wed 15 Aug, 2007 05:41 pm
From that AP report...
Quote:
''We know that the surge has to come to an end. There's no question about that. I think everyone understands that by about a year or so from now we've got to be a good bit smaller than we are right now.


Oh, yes? And...uh...why is that, general?
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2007 08:09 am
You folks have probably got wind of the WH moves to have Petraeus and Crocker do their september progress reports behind closed doors. Here's Tim Grieve's bit on it this morning.

Quote:
What is the White House hiding?
That September report from Gen. David Petraeus? The one that he won't actually be writing? If the White House has its way, he won't be talking about it either, at least not in public.

As we noted yesterday, Bush administration officials have told the Los Angeles Times that the White House, not Petraeus, will be writing the Petraeus report on Iraq. Now senior congressional aides are telling the Washington Post that the White House wants Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Secretary of Defense Robert Gates to present the report to Congress. Under a White House proposal, Petraeus and U.S. ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker -- long billed as the authors of the September assessment -- would discuss the report only in private.

As the Post reports, the White House proposal may be coming as a surprise to Petraeus and Crocker, who have said before that they expect to testify before Congress after giving Bush their assessments from Iraq. The Post's Jonathan Weisman and Karen DeYoung write: "U.S. military and diplomatic officials in Baghdad appeared puzzled yesterday when told that the White House had indicated that the two may not be appearing in public."

We'll admit to being a little puzzled, too. When it comes to asking for more time for the "surge," Petraeus, who is treated with something like reverence by most members of Congress, is probably the best spokesman the administration has, if only because he hasn't been around long enough to deliver as many false promises as Dick Cheney has or counsel patience as many times as Condoleezza Rice has. When Rice went up to the Hill to sell the surge in January, she came under attack from Republicans and Democrats alike, and she was reduced to sniping back.

So what does it tell us that the White House wouldn't want Petraeus writing his own report or describing his findings in public? From the outside looking in, it's hard not to conclude that the White House thinks it won't like what Petraeus would say if he were allowed to say it.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/

It's tough to work out any other motivation than this one. Both fellows have been pretty far 'off message' in the past. The WH set themselves up for this critical Sept review to buy some time and to try and maintain the marketing image of toughness and steadfastness and victory-or-nothing. The "accountability moment" is knocking at their front door and they will try, so long as they can, to pretend it is just the water pipes.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 16 Aug, 2007 08:14 am
Isn't Petraeus suppposed to report to congress? He can provide two different reports, one to Bush and the other to congress, but that'll eventually be revealed. If there's a conflict in his reports, his legacy will be mud like Rummy, Libby, and all those great sacrifices made by the king's men.
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revel
 
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Reply Sun 19 Aug, 2007 11:01 am
Iraq U.S. general: Iraq 'surge' likely to end in spring
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