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We Want Real Answers About 9/11

 
 
Zippo
 
Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 07:41 am
We Want Real Answers About 9/11

On August 31, 2004, Zogby International, the official North American political polling agency for Reuters, released a poll that found nearly half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of those in New York state believe US leaders had foreknowledge of impending 9/11 attacks and "consciously failed" to act. Of the New York City residents, 66% called for a new probe of unanswered questions by Congress or the New York Attorney General.

In connection with this news, we have assembled 100 notable Americans and 40 family members of those who died to sign this 9/11 Statement, which calls for immediate public attention to unanswered questions that suggest that people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war.

We want truthful answers to questions such as:

1) Why were standard operating procedures for dealing with hijacked airliners not followed that day?
2) Why were the extensive missile batteries and air defenses reportedly deployed around the Pentagon not activated during the attack?
3) Why did the Secret Service allow Bush to complete his elementary school visit, apparently unconcerned about his safety or that of the schoolchildren?
4) Why hasn't a single person been fired, penalized, or reprimanded for the gross incompetence we witnessed that day?
5) Why haven't authorities in the U.S. and abroad published the results of multiple investigations into trading that strongly suggested foreknowledge of specific details of the 9/11 attacks, resulting in tens of millions of dollars of traceable gains?
6) Why has Sibel Edmonds, a former FBI translator who claims to have knowledge of advance warnings, been publicly silenced with a gag order requested by Attorney General Ashcroft and granted by a Bush-appointed judge?
7) How could Flight 77, which reportedly hit the Pentagon, have flown back towards Washington D.C. for 40 minutes without being detected by the FAA's radar or the even superior radar possessed by the US military?
8) How were the FBI and CIA able to release the names and photos of the alleged hijackers within hours, as well as to visit houses, restaurants, and flight schools they were known to frequent?
9) What happened to the over 20 documented warnings given our government by 14 foreign intelligence agencies or heads of state?
10) Why did the Bush administration cover up the fact that the head of the Pakistani intelligence agency was in Washington the week of 9/11 and reportedly had $100,000 wired to Mohamed Atta, considered the ringleader of the hijackers?
11) Why did the 911 Commission fail to address most of the questions posed by the families of the victims, in addition to almost all of the questions posed here?
12) Why was Philip Zelikow chosen to be the Executive Director of the ostensibly independent 911 Commission although he had co-authored a book with Condoleezza Rice?

Those who are demanding deeper inquiry now number in the hundreds of thousands, including a former member of the first Bush administration, a retired Air Force colonel, a European parliamentarian, families of the victims, highly respected authors, investigative journalists, peace and justice leaders, former Pentagon staff, and the National Green Party.

As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:

1) An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
2) Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
3) Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
4) The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry.

Given the importance of the coming election, we feel it is imperative that these questions be addressed publicly, honestly, and rigorously so that Americans may exercise their democratic rights with full awareness.

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blueflame1
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 04:10 pm
News reported before it happens is news that will always create questions wont get answered without a fight. http://prisonplanet.com/Pictures/feb07/260207WTC_BBC3.jpg link
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 12:45 am
What exactly is the arrow pointing at? Certainly not the WTC.
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 07:34 am
McGentrix, you could have played the video or at least opened the link if you were even slightly interested. I think your fear of knowing the truth is showing. Yes BBC is reporting that WTC 7 had collapsed yet the building is still standing even as the report is being made. "BBC Reported Building 7 Had Collapsed 20 Minutes Before It Fell
Revealing, shocking video shows reporter talking about collapse with WTC 7 still standing in background, Google removes clip"
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 21 Jul, 2007 08:14 am
Yeh McG, how dare you question the film clip with the over printed title bearing the only title refernce to the time? My question is,if it was 5;!@ PM, would the crawlers still be bluting out that the WTC wasdestroyed by terrorists or would it have had some more "later breaking" news. I question the truthfulness of tis clip.
Are the 9/11 conspiracy theorists involved in some separate wild conspiracy themselves?
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 14 Oct, 2007 11:17 pm
You know, it always amazes me how such seemingly intelligent people can act so dumb.

There doesn't have to be any grand conspiracy theory to know that there are some very interesting scientific questions relating to the destruction of THREE high rise towers in one day, all of which just happened to collapse neatly into little footprint piles.

There are numerous scientists, yes, scientists who have done extensive study and they believe that the official story just doesn't fly. There is one scientist, Steven Jones, who claims to be in possession of some scraps of molten metal that shows conclusively that controlled demolition explosives had to have been used. [see Tucker Carlson interview]

Quote:


Mr Ayres is not some nut case. He is a highly respected engineer.

http://jmayres.com/Home.html


At the least, there are numerous, numerous inconsistencies, not the least of which is the fact that the two chairmen responsible for the investigation state that it was a complete farce.

It's like the drunken uncle in the room; no one wants to address a most interesting topic, fearful that they'll be labeled a conspiracist or something worse.

There's absolutely no reason not to discuss the science. None whatsoever.

For a shining example of how people want to dance around the edges of this monumentally important event, see this interview of Steven Jones by Tucker Carlson on MSNBC.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10053445/
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woiyo
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 06:13 am
Well, in the 3 years since the article was written, it looks like no one was interested in this nonsense.

Looks like the Attorney General made the smart move and ignored these idiots. He is now Gov. Spitzer, the steamrolling Gov!
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 06:21 am
JTT wrote:
You know, it always amazes me how such seemingly intelligent people can act so dumb.

There doesn't have to be any grand conspiracy theory to know that there are some very interesting scientific questions relating to the destruction of THREE high rise towers in one day, all of which just happened to collapse neatly into little footprint piles.


There are only about eight or ten buildings in the world which were ever made to withstand having a 767 fly into them and they're all in Egypt...

http://z.about.com/d/cruises/1/0/O/S/3/pyramids01.JPG
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 06:24 am
I've seen these kinds of claims here and there on the internet, including this forum and, distressingly, on tenc.org and a couple of similar places populated by people who are at least theoretically bright enough to know better. By this, of course, I have in mind the various claims that the whitehouse and/or pentagon were somehow or other complicit in 9/11, either from the outset or in that fighter cover for D.C. was deliberately withheld after the attacks on the two trade towers.

Now, in general, I have nothing against conspiracy theories, but I like to at least subject them to rudimentary sanity checks. In the case of the new book which alleges that LBJ was complicit in the JFK assasination for instance, no simple sanity checks appear to be violated, at least to my knowledge, hence I would be the last person to denigrate the author of the book without knowing much more than I do about the subject.

Nonetheless, the various claims of whitehouse or pentagon complicity in 9/11 fail any sort of sanity check very badly. In fact, the simplest such tests totally forbid the theories.

For starters, consider the two trade towers. Their destruction and the devastation of the surrounding area and associated loss of life involved hundreds of billions of dollars of loss to the American economy, during George W. Bush's administration. Presidents, of course, are judged as much as anything by how the economy fares while they are in office. George H.W. Bush in particular was pointedly denied a second term in office for precisely this reason. What then could possibly tempt George W. Bush to risk such a thing on his own watch? I do not know of any possibility of a reasonable answer.

Next consider Dick Cheney, who was in the whitehouse at the time and missed a close encounter with one of the hijacked planes only via the heroism of its passengers. Consider also that the whitehouse was built in the early 1800s and that the architects assuredly never planned for it to survive an encounter with a 767.

For Cheney to have had any complicity in the events would amount to playing Russian roulette with at least two or three chambers in the revolver loaded. What could plausibly tempt a guy like Cheney to put his own ass at such risk? What could you possibly offer the guy to take such a chance?

Money? I doubt it; I mean, the guy seems to have lots of that... Sex, teenage interns maybe?? The guy probably has access to as much of that as his heart condition would allow for. Drugs? What??

Likewise the pentagon lost about 300 of its own people in the attacks and there is no way they could have known precisely how the plane would hit the building or who amongst themselves would be killed. Aside from the fact that any pentagon complicity would also represent pentagon bosses playing Russian roulette with more than one chamber loaded, there is also the fact that any such conspiracy would involve an unacceptable risk of destruction of military careers and of hundreds if not thousands of major-league type lawsuits by relatives of victims.

The inescapable conclusion I come to is that anybody who buys off on any of these theories is basically an idiot.
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gungasnake
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 06:30 am
Again, the question I've asked Zippo two or three times in the past regarding his ultimate hero, Adolf Hitler:

The problem I have understanding the history of nazi Germany is that Germans are supposed to be a superior intellectual race and Hitler was supposed to be some sort of an all-around genius. That makes several of the things you read about WW-II very hard to understand.

Hitler and the nazis had several very clear cut chances to win and, in fact, there are about a baker's dozen things Hitler could have done differently, any two or three of which would have won the war for him outright.

  • He could have simply not invaded Russia. The CCCP was on the edge of collapse in 37 - 39; he could have waited five years and picked up the pieces for free.
  • He could have started WW-II with the 300 ocean-going U-Boats which Doenitz wanted instead of spending money on pocket battleships.
  • He could have built medium-sized carriers like our Independance class to go out with the U-Boats and had fighter cover over the U-Boats so that escort ships could not attack them. A wolfpack with fighter cover could have sat there on the surface and sunk entire convoys.
  • He could have made Franco some sort of an offer he'd have been unable to refuse and gained control over Gibralter and the Med.
  • He could have entered the war with some sort of a modern rifle in his soldiers hands instead of Mausers. That was basically stupid.
  • He could have given the go-ahead for using the jet Messerschmidt as an area defense fighter in 39. Allied bombers would never have been able to fly over Germany had he done so.



There are a dozen or so others like that, like I say, doing any two or three of those things right would have won for him.

What about it, Zippo??? Got any answers for us at this point?
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 10:48 am
The problem with conspriacy theories is the believers will likely move to "conspiracy B" when "conspiracy A" is beginning to look invalid. For example, right after 9/11 there was a false rumor that all the Jewish employees that worked in the Twin Towers had advanced warning, and knew not to come to work that day. Well, that didn't prove correct, especially when those that visit Ground Zero read the list of the names of all those that died in the Twin Towers that day.

So, once that level of conspiracy seemed incorrect, there were the conspiracy theories about planned demolition and/or prior knowledge of attacks.

I don't believe the planned demolition, since a documentary on tv showed how the cross buttresses on each floor sagged "in" from the heat, and once one floor fell, the entire building(s) fell straight down.

I don't believe there was prior knowledge, since the look on the President's face, when it was whispered into his ear what had happened (he was in that classroom), was a look of real gravity. The best of actors, I believe, couldn't have had his expression of gravity.

In my opinion, conspiracy theories reflect that some people may not like official explanations, since it goes against the basic reality; there usually is no one secretly "pulling the strings" and we are not marionettes. Belief in conspiracy theories can fit in neatly to feelings of persecution that some people seem to need. It can serve as an excuse for one's failures, or the failures of an entire country or countries. Sometimes even a country's leader likes to blame conspiracy theories; the old "stabbed in the back" claim; where did I hear that in world history? But then it's called "scape-goating." Hey, the two can be similar? Conspiracy theories and scapegoating. Interesting.

Like the old tv show Dragnet, "Just the facts, Ma'am!"
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Zippo
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 11:10 am
Quote:
The problem with conspriacy theories is the believers will likely move to "conspiracy B" when "conspiracy A" is beginning to look invalid. For example, right after 9/11 there was a false rumor that all the Jewish employees that worked in the Twin Towers had advanced warning, and knew not to come to work that day. Well, that didn't prove correct, especially when those that visit Ground Zero read the list of the names of all those that died in the Twin Towers that day.


I have answered most questions already.

"There are other Israeli incidents revolving around September 11, 2001 that should be mentioned. On September 4, 2001, an Israeli-owned shipping company entitled Zim-American Israeli Shipping Co., moved their North American headquarters from inside the World Trade Center, to Norfolk, Virginia; one week before the 9/11 attacks. [Virginian-Pilot, 9/04/01] Zim had announced its move 6 months before the attacks, [Virginian-Pilot, 4/03/01] yet 10 employees were still in the building on Sept. 11, taking care of the final moving arrangements. They were able to escape, unharmed. [Jerusalem Post, 9/13/01; Journal of Commerce, 10/18/01] A year later, a Zim-American ship was caught attempting to ship Israeli military equipment into Iran. [AFP, 8/29/02]"

Here you'll find the welcome letter from the Mayor: These are the thousands of 'missing' Jews.

http://www.yesvirginia.org/About_Us/NewsArticle.aspx?newsid=31
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 11:43 am
The only conclusion to be reached is that the BBC and Google are to be added to the roster of players in the incredibly huge team involved in the conspiracy that was 9/11. There is no other explanation.

This only confirms the genius of George W. Bush. It's amazing he was able to orchestrate this nearly flawless mission. But for a few mistakes (dammit BBC, you ran the story too soon), and a few sharpies like blueflame, Zippo, and Prisonplanet, he might have gotten away with it.
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Zippo
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 11:50 am
Ticomaya wrote:
The only conclusion to be reached is that the BBC and Google are to be added to the roster of players in the incredibly huge team involved in the conspiracy that was 9/11. There is no other explanation.

This only confirms the genius of George W. Bush. It's amazing he was able to orchestrate this nearly flawless mission. But for a few mistakes (dammit BBC, you ran the story too soon), and a few sharpies like blueflame, Zippo, and Prisonplanet, he might have gotten away with it.


Hey Tico Smile where have you been hiding?

Here is the 'genius'. This is all he had to do, people made sure the 'genius' was out of their way Smile

http://www.beautifulhorizons.net/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/15/bush_bookupsidedown.jpg
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Zippo
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 11:56 am
Pictures speak a thousand words ? ?

http://www.piratenews.org/bush-911-jetfuel-wtc-laff.jpg
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TTH
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 12:07 pm
Zippo
Just stopped by to say HI Very Happy

I am still reading the book btw. My goal is to finish reading it by the end of this year. When I finish reading the book I will read what you asked me to. I have it book-marked on my computer.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 12:16 pm
When he asks you to sip the kool-aid, TTH, just say no.
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Zippo
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 12:26 pm
TTH wrote:
Zippo
Just stopped by to say HI Very Happy

I am still reading the book btw. My goal is to finish reading it by the end of this year. When I finish reading the book I will read what you asked me to. I have it book-marked on my computer.


Wow! TT, is that you in your avatar pic? :wink:

Good that you're eventually going to read the page that i got you to bookmark. However, you're taking one year just to find out that Bush is an e-da-yut?? Sure you don't wana take my word for it ? Laughing

http://oldamericancentury.org/images3/warprofiteers.jpg
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TTH
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 12:26 pm
Well, that is a given since I don't like kool aid. Maybe something stronger like Tab. Tab = soda = pop. I still buy that and even contacted the Coke Co.
when they were going to discontinue making it.


Sorry Zippo
No conspiracy theory I can find on the Coke Co. Laughing Laughing
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Zippo
 
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Reply Mon 15 Oct, 2007 12:30 pm
TTH wrote:
Well, that is a given since I don't like kool aid. Maybe something stronger like Tab. Tab = soda = pop. I still buy that and even contacted the Coke Co.
when they were going to discontinue making it.


Sorry Zippo
No conspiracy theory I can find on the Coke Co. Laughing Laughing


Ddi you say Coke?

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/7/1/J/bush_gotcoke.jpg
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