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Thu 19 Jul, 2007 09:36 am
A Backlash Against Billionaires
By David Ignatius
Thursday, July 19, 2007; A19
Washington Post
For mysterious reasons, people can suddenly become indignant about government policies they have accepted for years as a matter of course. Such a seismic shift seems to be happening in public attitudes toward taxation of America's super-rich financiers.
The three leading Democratic candidates -- Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John Edwards-- all announced recently that they support higher taxes on what's known as "carried interest," a form of compensation received by financial moguls that has created some of the biggest new fortunes on Wall Street.
We may be seeing a political bubble bursting: For decades, the capitalists who ran private equity, venture and hedge funds managed to convince Congress that the 20 percent carried-interest profit share they took on deals wasn't ordinary income (taxed at up to 35 percent) but a capital gain (taxed at 15 percent), even though they typically were risking almost none of their own capital. This gross inequity was taken as a financial fact of nature. But no more.
Even the wealthy -- at least those with social consciences -- seem to share the new concern about restoring fairness to the tax system. The most prominent critic is mega-billionaire Warren Buffett, chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway and a director of The Washington Post Co. He famously admonished his fellow moguls a month ago that they were paying a lower tax rate than the people who cleaned their offices -- and offered them $1 million if they could prove otherwise.
Buffett is hardly alone in his discomfort with a system that has led to an ever-wider disparity in the distribution of income. That's what gives this movement traction: Some of the people who know Wall Street best understand how unfair the tax system is. A good example is Robert Rubin, a former Treasury secretary and, more to the point, a former head of Goldman Sachs. He recently joined those arguing that carried interest amounts to a fee paid to money managers and should thus be taxed as ordinary income.
A billionaire who runs one of the leading hedge funds wrote me in an e-mail last week: "Amusing what is going on in the tax charades of the money managers. How in the world anyone can uphold those [making] egregious amounts of money paying low or no taxes is really becoming laughable. . . . The private equity guys I know admit they do not have an argument that holds water." This financier described watching a production of "Animal Farm" and realizing that "the vastness of the inequity that is escalating geometrically is just, well, Orwellian."
Another financier who heads a private equity fund with more than $5 billion in investments offers a similarly scorching indictment of the system. The argument that the 20 percent he automatically takes away from profitable deals should be taxed as a capital gain is "completely ridiculous," he says. Most firms put only a tiny amount of their own capital at risk -- often as little as two-tenths of 1 percent, or $2 million on a $1 billion deal. (Private equity refers to funds that use a mix of debt and private capital to buy up companies; typically they pay back the loans by cutting costs.)
The giant private equity funds are nervous enough about the pressure building for tax changes that a few months ago they created their own Washington trade group, the Private Equity Council, which is already producing studies to justify the existing tax breaks. Its Web site explains that although fund managers may be putting up little of their capital, they deserve special tax breaks because they are contributing "sweat equity." Try telling that to the guy on the shop floor who's actually sweating -- and paying taxes at a far higher rate.
A measure of just how rich the new financiers are is a list compiled annually by Alpha magazine of the top 25 hedge fund managers. Average earnings for these financial titans last year were $570 million, an increase of 57 percent from 2005. "In total, the top 25 earners raked in more than $14 billion, equivalent to the GDP of Jordan or Uruguay," writes Alpha. You read sentences like that and you wonder why there isn't a revolution against a global financial system that produces such disparities.
Is Alpha's readership of tycoons embarrassed by these numbers? Apparently not. A June editorial urged greater political activism by the super-rich in Washington to save their tax breaks. "The time is now," the article warned. If current trends continue, "we may wake up one day to find fundamental changes affecting our business." What a happy thought.
Tom Brady's new girlfriend, the "model" makes $30 million/photo shot. Do you think she'll be glad to pay more taxes?
Quote:Even the wealthy -- at least those with social consciences -- seem to share the new concern about restoring fairness to the tax system. The most prominent critic is mega-billionaire Warren Buffett, chief executive of Berkshire Hathaway and a director of The Washington Post Co. He famously admonished his fellow moguls a month ago that they were paying a lower tax rate than the people who cleaned their offices -- and offered them $1 million if they could prove otherwise.
I never knew Buffet said anything like this.
Here is an opportunity for Okie to make some cash..... this should be easy to prove right?
LESSON:
Just stop cleaning offices.
The Dems hate the rich. You are rich if you make more than $40K/year.
cjhsa wrote:The Dems hate the rich. You are rich if you make more than $40K/year.
My family makes about 110k and neither of us hate ourselves....
Once again, you don't know what you're talking about.
cjhsa wrote:The Dems hate the rich. You are rich if you make more than $40K/year.
Well, for starters: what would be wrong with taxing everybody equally?
maporsche wrote:cjhsa wrote:The Dems hate the rich. You are rich if you make more than $40K/year.
My family makes about 110k and neither of us hate ourselves....
Once again, you don't know what you're talking about.
Quite the opposite is true. It's you without a clue. Maybe you didn't notice, but since Bush's tax cuts took effect, the stock market is up. WAY UP. But Democrats only like to focus on misery.
On my last tax bill for my vacation/hunt/fish property:
"If you make less than $40,000/year you may qualify for all sorts of governmest assistance, tax deferral, or you may not have to pay it at all".
Maybe not word for word, but that's what it said. So don't tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. You either rent, or can't read.
old europe wrote:cjhsa wrote:The Dems hate the rich. You are rich if you make more than $40K/year.
Well, for starters: what would be wrong with taxing everybody equally?
Not a thing. I support a flat tax.
cjhsa wrote:old europe wrote:cjhsa wrote:The Dems hate the rich. You are rich if you make more than $40K/year.
Well, for starters: what would be wrong with taxing everybody equally?
Not a thing. I support a flat tax.
So what do you think about the fact that multi-billionaires pay lower tax rates than the people who clean their offices...? Should that be changed?
No, and here's why. There should be a cap on the amount an individual has to pay in taxes, the same way there are caps on the amount you have to pay for Social Security. It should be a fairly large number to hit that cap though.
cjhsa wrote:No, and here's why. There should be a cap on the amount an individual has to pay in taxes, the same way there are caps on the amount you have to pay for Social Security. It should be a fairly large number to hit that cap though.
You have it backwards; there should be a cap on how much you can earn. After that, it's 100% taxed.
Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn wrote:cjhsa wrote:No, and here's why. There should be a cap on the amount an individual has to pay in taxes, the same way there are caps on the amount you have to pay for Social Security. It should be a fairly large number to hit that cap though.
You have it backwards; there should be a cap on how much you can earn. After that, it's 100% taxed.
Cycloptichorn
Once again, Cyclo proves he is a socialist commie. Take away all the incentive and give everything to the collective.
Bwahahahahahaha! Dismissed.
cjhsa wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:cjhsa wrote:No, and here's why. There should be a cap on the amount an individual has to pay in taxes, the same way there are caps on the amount you have to pay for Social Security. It should be a fairly large number to hit that cap though.
You have it backwards; there should be a cap on how much you can earn. After that, it's 100% taxed.
Cycloptichorn
Once again, Cyclo proves he is a socialist commie. Take away all the incentive and give everything to the collective.
Bwahahahahahaha! Dismissed.
Sure, because someone who is making 50 million a year needs incentive to do his job. Why, imagine how much harder he would work if he could have made 55 million.
You righties, being greed-driven monsters, can't see any other reason to work besides acquiring as much stuff/money as possible. It's sort of funny in a sad way.
Cycloptichorn
No, what's sad is that there are graduates of our own public and private shools such as yourself that don't understand how capitalism works and why it is the best system going. But don't expect pity from me. What you need to do is reeducate and upgrade yourself.
cjhsa wrote:No, what's sad is that there are graduates of our own public and private shools such as yourself that don't understand how capitalism works and why it is the best system going. But don't expect pity from me. What you need to do is reeducate and upgrade yourself.
I know more about capitalism then you ever will, Ceej. Your vision of it no doubt revolves around figuring out exactly how much money it takes to buy another gun; 'cause it's the next one which really will make you feel like a secure man. So there's the
incentive to keep working that you mentioned.
Cycloptichorn
Cycloptichorn wrote:cjhsa wrote:No, what's sad is that there are graduates of our own public and private shools such as yourself that don't understand how capitalism works and why it is the best system going. But don't expect pity from me. What you need to do is reeducate and upgrade yourself.
I know more about capitalism then you ever will, Ceej. Your vision of it no doubt revolves around figuring out exactly how much money it takes to buy another gun; 'cause it's the next one which really will make you feel like a secure man. So there's the
incentive to keep working that you mentioned.
Cycloptichorn
Actually, my vision of it involves finding creative methods to rid the country of uber-liberal areas such as San Francisco and Berkeley. You know, take away the incentive to be a worthless money sucking freak.
cjhsa wrote:Cycloptichorn wrote:cjhsa wrote:No, what's sad is that there are graduates of our own public and private shools such as yourself that don't understand how capitalism works and why it is the best system going. But don't expect pity from me. What you need to do is reeducate and upgrade yourself.
I know more about capitalism then you ever will, Ceej. Your vision of it no doubt revolves around figuring out exactly how much money it takes to buy another gun; 'cause it's the next one which really will make you feel like a secure man. So there's the
incentive to keep working that you mentioned.
Cycloptichorn
Actually, my vision of it involves finding creative methods to rid the country of uber-liberal areas such as San Francisco and Berkeley. You know, take away the incentive to be a worthless money sucking freak.
Really? Haven't had too much success with that one yet, have you?
Let me clue you in to something: the computer you're typing on? Designed in the San Francisco area. Processor was likely designed here. Operating system designed here (or in Seattle, another Liberal city). Internet that you like to use? Much of it designed here.
The 'worthless money sucking freaks' have created the inventions which allow you to spread your particularly stinky brand of virtriol far and wide. If you had any sense of gratitude or decency, you'd get down on your knees and kiss the birkenstocks of the next Liberal you come across.
Cycloptichorn
The original Intel processor that really started it all was drawn on a napkin at the Wagon Wheel restaurant on Middlefield Road, in Mountain View, CA, at the time mostly a farming community, with the largest employers nearby being Lockheed and Fairchild. Very conservative.