Guernica

That's correct and the roots of Cubism are in Cezanne:

Houses in Provence:

Lightwizard, I read and look at all your post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cubism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binocular_vision

binocular vision???? very interesting.

Picasso Vs. Cezanne???????? Who wins???

Maybe Jackson Pollock wins, Amigo. I swear, this reminds me of an abstract that I once did. Right, Mr. Wizard?

This is reminding me of the avant garde musicians of the sixties. Ornette Coleman, Eric Dolphy, Archie Shepp John Coltrane, Charlie Mingus--to a lesser extent Jimmie Giuffre--and in the present, John Zorn. I think of musicians more than artists because music is what I am more familiar with.

The sixties were amazingly vibrant with protest and experimentation and this was expressed in music more than anything else--at least that was my impression at the time.

Like some out-of-the-mainstream art, avant garde music pushed the envelope to the point of being unpalatable to many. Archie Shepp was actually painful to hear as was Eric Dolphy much of the time. John Coltrane and Charlie Mingus were two I always loved, maybe they were older and had the ability to mix difficult chords with a melody that made the whole something foreign but irresistable.

From what I've seen, this from the standpoint of a nontalented individual, it isn't always politically inspired but the drive of extremely creative musicians. I also think that other musicians tend to be the best audience. For me, I can appreciate and applaud the creativity, but not for long. So much of it literally hurts. The same holds true for much of my son's art--large installation pieces that I cannot fathom but which appeal to my aesthetic sense of creativity, which can be quite separate from real enjoyment.

So for me, a part of the average, everyday audience, never the participant, I love the idea, but not always the experience. The same holds true for art but my lack of understanding interferes with my ability to see real talent.

Thanks for starting this thread. It has really made me think and bring to mind some artists that I haven't listened to for a long, long time. Long ago in the 60's--the part that I really do remember...

Diane, the avant-garde band Sonic Youth once said "we paint with sound". I think that is a very good way to but what music and painting have in common.

True! Even for those of us who aren't natural synasthetes.

So would "Guernica" be the sound of war drums?

Probably so, LW.

So many 'war' paintings convey horror so effectively that the sounds of screams and cries seem to emanate from the canvas.

Sometimes, the depiction of tragedy evokes such deep sorrow that a sound of mourning can be heard/felt.

I wonder if everyone has a vestige of synaesthesia?

I also can hear the sound of whistling bombs, explosions, and as far as music, the "Dies Irae."

You're there, LW.

Maybe it is a well developed imagination and a feeling of deep compassion.

Don't forget anger and despair.


hhhmmmm, A symphony inspired by Geurnica???? I wonder what it would sound like.

Probably something like Shostokovitch Symphony No. 11 or 12 (Babi Yar)

The 1812 overture?

Best known for its loud bangs and crashes, Tchikovsky's 1812 Overture is one of the pieces implicated for causing hearing loss. Tchaikovsky was commissioned to write this spectacular piece back in 1880, for the opening of the new Cathedral of Christ the Savior (and the Moscow Exhibition, and the King's Silver Jubilee, while we're at it. =) As the Cathedral was designed to commemorate the events of 1812, when Napoleon had been forced to retreat from Moscow, his soldiers worn out by the cold Russian winter. Tchaikovsky made his overture a graphic description of the conflict.

The French are represented by the Marselleise, the Russians by Orthodox Chant and a folksong, and in the final victory, "God Save the Tsar". And, just to round an already over the top piece, Tchikovsky added a few cannons in the score. Most modern recordings and performances boast real cannonfire

Hi Letty!

Despair always brings to mind Gorecki's Symphony No. 3--The Symphony of Sorrowful Songs, which I listened to over and over after 9/11.

Diane, classical music is a purgative, and we are trained in it. So many great composers' lives were fraught with egotism(such as Picasso) and often loneliness. The furious type, such as the 1812 overture, is the call to arms. This one reflects the man's depression at being alone.


None but the lonely heart
Can know my sadness
Alone and parted
Far from joy and gladness
Heaven's boundless arch I see
Spread out above me
O(h) what a distance ........ to one
Who loves me
None but the lonely heart
Can know my sadness
Alone and parted
Far from joy and gladness
Alone and parted far
From joy and gladness
My senses fail
A burning fire
Devours me
None but the lonely heart
Can know my sadness

This painting goes with Tchikovsky's period of emptiness, but it's a Rembrandt

Oh Letty, that truly speaks of all that is sorrowful.

I've often wondered what talent it takes to find the beauty in sorrowful, tragedy and grief. Only a few can express that depth of emotion.

That feeling of sorrow or sadness was instrumental in prompting me to post the discussion of Rothko, the final artist episode of Simon Schama's The Power of Art. If you see all the episodes, he covers a lot of those emotions and there is an episode on "Guernica." Rothco with just colors floating in space has actually prompted people to weep in front of his canvasses.

I saw that thread, Mr. Wizard, but I didn't know enough about it to comment.

Speaking of revolt, How about Chopin's Revolutionary Etude in Poland's failed uprising against Russia. I love that piano solo by him.

I just discovered something about Van Gogh.




'Van Gogh' work revealed as fakeAug 3 2007


A PAINTING attributed to Vincent Van Gogh in an Australian gallery was revealed as a fake today, after art experts found it was probably painted by one his peers.

The director of Australia's National Gallery of Victoria, Gerard Vaughan, said a specialist team at the Van Gogh Museum in the Netherlands found the painting had strong stylistic differences from the Dutch artist's other works.

The painting, Head of a Man, was taken to Australia in 1939 as part of a contemporary art exhibit owned by Keith Murdoch, father of media mogul Rupert Murdoch.

The piece became stranded in Australia with the outbreak of the Second World War, and the Melbourne gallery bought it in 1940 for around 4,000 Australian dollars

Does that even slightly resemble Van Gogh's style?

Letty, you know, I think I can see why that doesn't look like a Van Gogh.

Interesting.